Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed

You are exactly the type of patronizing "I flew GA when you were in diapers, whippersnapper" type who is literally making my life miserable on every 4-day recently.

Just reading that lengthy post to ScottyDo, I know 100% I don't want to fly with you. I don't care about your business experience and blah blah blah--sorry. Don't take it personally--I'm just trying to be upfront and honest and telling you that none of those things matter to me at all when we're trying to operate an EJet in a 121 environment safely and without getting violated.

Now, maybe if you can figure out and openly admit that NONE of your past life experience/business instincts/experience running a GA airport/flying GA have almost NO relevance to flying an EJet in 121 passenger ops--if you can do that--and literally acknowledge that whatever you did before gives you essentially zero "instincts" in the 121 grind--then maybe I'll fly with you. But I can already see that's going to be a problem with you on the line, because you can't stop talking about it on here.

I honestly don't care if you're 64 or 24--the stereotype many of us Captains are applying to "old guys" is simply a rough correlation: were you flying passenger ops in 121 for the last 25 years? No? Ok--then we've established that I have vastly more experience to you (in the context of this job/operation), and so when I tell you you're messing up/too high on GS/didn't read back the clearance right (all things that all new guys mess up)--you won't take it personally, debate it with me, or act like a butthurt child who's ego and "experience" as a guy 20 years older than me have been insulted? Can you do that for me, bud?

If we can clear up that your whole background and life story has almost nothing to do with flying an airliner safely, and if you can just stop talking about it during every leg, then maybe we'll get along and be ok--not optimstic based on past experience with "old guys."

Sorry--just venting a bit

rant over

Originally Posted by WisJudge

No apology needed. My post was not intended in any way to belittle. If taken that way, my humble apologies.

Of course, I have no idea of the actual experiences of flying 121 or the Ejet. How could I? You missed my earlier post stating my learning curve would be near vertical. What do you think the reasons for my questions were? I was asking for advice from folks like you. Positive direction is still appreciated.

I think we all bring varied experiences to the table. I'd be thrilled with anyone willing to take an interest in my being a better pilot in the Ejet. Why would any sane person not be interested in bettering themselves? If you are a CA on an Ejet, then I hope you are there to lead and be an example of professionalism both in sharing your knowledge and character of leadership. I am a rookie...and "old guy", but mostly a rookie when it comes to this job.

Kind Regards,
Judge

Originally Posted by BeatNavy

Kathryn's Report: Embraer EMB-145MP, Trans World Express, N856HK: Incident occurred February 24, 2016 at Lambert-St Louis International Airport (KSTL), St. Louis, Missouri Incident: Trans State E145 at Saint Louis on Feb 23rd 2016, wing tip strike on landing
We aren't the only ones painting runways with our wings. This TSA guy managed to get both tips...those pesky runways keep getting in the way.

Originally Posted by Riverside

At least ours was on a gusty day :-)

Originally Posted by BeatNavy

Flaps (if he is who I think he is) is young enough to be your kid. Expect commensurate maturity/experience (life, not necessarily flying experience) when you strap in and see someone half your age in the left seat. If you have a good attitude, can learn well (and be fast enough to keep up with the multitude of things going on), you'll be fine. I was really worried when I came to Mesa, as it was my first 121 job and way different than the flying I did in my previous life. It was a very easy transition. And most captains I've encountered (and FOs as well) enjoy helping new FOs learn the ropes for things not discussed in initial/IOE. Fortunately I haven't had many with the attitudes displayed by guys like flaps who are too good to carry on cockpit conversation, explain things, etc.

And, FWIW, the airline I am moving to, and two others I've talked to at job fairs, put more emphasis on my previous leadership roles and life experiences than they did on my flight hours. They said anyone who is currently in the 121 environment can obviously fly, what separates you from everyone else? Leadership is leadership, and judgment is judgment when you know the parameters and variables involved. Life experiences do matter, even in the 121 world.

That said, the older folks in my class were the ones that struggled the most, but some young and middle aged guys did as well. I don't disagree it's a trend and that learning is more difficult the older you get, but it's not impossible. I just disagree with the attitude and blanket statements against older folks by some of these whippersnappers, especially the ones who got too big for their britches with that 4th stripe, or those who have never worn a 4th stripe and try to speak against the old 2nd career FOs, but who have never even flown with any (that's you scottydo).

Originally Posted by milehighskyline

Well.... Scrape my wings and run me off the runway...... Yes the union has it problems but when a new hire takes 120 hours of IOE ( which the company has been doing more and more of) then that is a problem bigger than the union. They need to get the pay and work rules right before they can even start thinking about regulating training. And even then that's not really their job. Just saying.

Just rember. We are all counting on you!

Originally Posted by BeatNavy

Flaps (if he is who I think he is) is young enough to be your kid.

Originally Posted by Out Of Trim

Yeah, well you pretty much made my point for me. The real problem isn't the fact that new hires with minimal experience or qualifications are getting seats in class. That's the symptom and, you can't blame them for jumping on the chance. If recruiting isn't able to do any better than that because of sub par pay, QOL, etc, then those are the real problems. I think we pretty much agree on everything here, I just don't see it appropriate for some people to hold it against new hires for coming here and to see them as being the ones responsible for conditions not changing. That was the point I was trying to make.