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02-24-2016 | 06:16 AM
#4751
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Attrition is from 15 years on down at Mesa. Anyone at Mesa any longer then that is leaving due to retirement which is very few. That chart is missing some too. Mesa's health insurance is very expensive, the cheap plans cover virtually nothing. Per diem is 1.47 hr. Yet people keep coming...
I am planning my next move and the insurance benefits are some of the hardest to gauge, but are also some of the most important.
Living with people working at other airlines has been a big help.
Right now Express Jet's benefits look much much more affordable, with good coverage, than ours.
02-24-2016 | 06:26 AM
#4752
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Scotty,
From the "old guy": Happiness begins with gratefulness from the things we have and the people who took the time and effort to invest in us. My first flight was in 1971 in a decommissioned Bell 47 helicopter. My first lessons were in 1986. When graduating from college in 1990 I had the good fortune to run a small GA airport 30nm west of Oshkosh. I chose that path and avoided the 121 world that was paying $10-12K/year for FOs. Why, family was more important than career. The benefits were a doubled income and opportunity to fly over 80 different makes and models of aircraft. I also got my start in business. Was that my planned or preferred path, no. I did what was needed for those around me.
Midlife crisis: if that's defined as the point in life where I can decide my path with less worries about feeding a family, then I am certainly there. I have built a resume that includes aviation, the military, business, law and coaching professionally. Combine those things with a solid 28 year marriage, 5 wonderful children, and now an opportunity to fly a shiny new jet...If that's being in crisis, then I wish to be in crisis for the rest of my life.
I'm curious Scotty. If you are not happy where you are with Mesa, why not simply leave? If you are not pleased with the 121 world, why stay in it. Life is too short to go through it bitter. There are always options.
A bit of wisdom from the "old guy" if you're willing to accept it: you can go anywhere to try and change your situation, but the reality is the change needs to come from within you first. If you are bitter and have a sense of entitlement, a change of venue will do nothing but rearrange the deck chairs on your personal Titanic. You'll have a honeymoon period with a new company, and then in a year or so be back to the same disgruntled place you seem to be now. Focus on being grateful for what you have and the fact that you get to fly a shiny new jet as well. All told, that's not a bad crisis to be in. Look around you at the thousands of people you pass each day. How many would you truly like to trade places with? I think when you step back you'll see you'e got it pretty well off.
Want things to get better at Mesa. Start making things better with you and those around you. Work at being a man that others respect and admire. Invest your time and energy into others and focus less on yourself. You'll be amazed how quickly Mesa/life changes for the better.
Kind Regards,
Judge
From the "old guy": Happiness begins with gratefulness from the things we have and the people who took the time and effort to invest in us. My first flight was in 1971 in a decommissioned Bell 47 helicopter. My first lessons were in 1986. When graduating from college in 1990 I had the good fortune to run a small GA airport 30nm west of Oshkosh. I chose that path and avoided the 121 world that was paying $10-12K/year for FOs. Why, family was more important than career. The benefits were a doubled income and opportunity to fly over 80 different makes and models of aircraft. I also got my start in business. Was that my planned or preferred path, no. I did what was needed for those around me.
Midlife crisis: if that's defined as the point in life where I can decide my path with less worries about feeding a family, then I am certainly there. I have built a resume that includes aviation, the military, business, law and coaching professionally. Combine those things with a solid 28 year marriage, 5 wonderful children, and now an opportunity to fly a shiny new jet...If that's being in crisis, then I wish to be in crisis for the rest of my life.
I'm curious Scotty. If you are not happy where you are with Mesa, why not simply leave? If you are not pleased with the 121 world, why stay in it. Life is too short to go through it bitter. There are always options.
A bit of wisdom from the "old guy" if you're willing to accept it: you can go anywhere to try and change your situation, but the reality is the change needs to come from within you first. If you are bitter and have a sense of entitlement, a change of venue will do nothing but rearrange the deck chairs on your personal Titanic. You'll have a honeymoon period with a new company, and then in a year or so be back to the same disgruntled place you seem to be now. Focus on being grateful for what you have and the fact that you get to fly a shiny new jet as well. All told, that's not a bad crisis to be in. Look around you at the thousands of people you pass each day. How many would you truly like to trade places with? I think when you step back you'll see you'e got it pretty well off.
Want things to get better at Mesa. Start making things better with you and those around you. Work at being a man that others respect and admire. Invest your time and energy into others and focus less on yourself. You'll be amazed how quickly Mesa/life changes for the better.
Kind Regards,
Judge
02-24-2016 | 06:52 AM
#4753
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Thanks Mach.
I'd like to encourage folks to refrain from the personal attacks, even if seemingly warranted. If this thread sticks to substantive issues we will all be better off. There is nothing wrong with being direct and critical of someone's position, but for the benefit of all, let's maintain a high level of civility. There is a lot of power in an open forum of ideas. I value the concerns Scotty has, even if he's lacking tact when presenting them.
I'd like to encourage folks to refrain from the personal attacks, even if seemingly warranted. If this thread sticks to substantive issues we will all be better off. There is nothing wrong with being direct and critical of someone's position, but for the benefit of all, let's maintain a high level of civility. There is a lot of power in an open forum of ideas. I value the concerns Scotty has, even if he's lacking tact when presenting them.
02-24-2016 | 07:11 AM
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Wow has anyone looked at the IAH CA reserve grid for March? Single digit reserves available every day--average of ~4.5 reserve Captains per day.
I mean, I'm sure we have upgrades in the pipeline that'll be trickling in as the month rolls along, but it's going to be a fun one. Bring on that 2-3x OT babyyy!!!
What are you guys in DFW/IAD seeing? IAH FOs?
The breaking point for any growth in this industry is when attrition from both seats equals the ability to find and train new bodies--you can't bring new planes online if your new hires are only covering CA/FO attrition...maybe this is just a fluke in IAH, or a temporary backlog in the pipeline (like I said, we definitely have upgrades in the pipeline, and it's traditionally a busy month). But these are the lowest numbers I've seen since maybe 2013, and that was before the hiring pipeline was really in full gear.
So it seems like the ship starting to list a bit...only time will tell if she'll continue to beam on over, or if they'll get her back upright...I think we'll know by the end of the summer peak
I mean, I'm sure we have upgrades in the pipeline that'll be trickling in as the month rolls along, but it's going to be a fun one. Bring on that 2-3x OT babyyy!!!
What are you guys in DFW/IAD seeing? IAH FOs?
The breaking point for any growth in this industry is when attrition from both seats equals the ability to find and train new bodies--you can't bring new planes online if your new hires are only covering CA/FO attrition...maybe this is just a fluke in IAH, or a temporary backlog in the pipeline (like I said, we definitely have upgrades in the pipeline, and it's traditionally a busy month). But these are the lowest numbers I've seen since maybe 2013, and that was before the hiring pipeline was really in full gear.
So it seems like the ship starting to list a bit...only time will tell if she'll continue to beam on over, or if they'll get her back upright...I think we'll know by the end of the summer peak
02-24-2016 | 07:18 AM
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Good Morning , am also a new hire at Mesa and i am looking forward to working with each and everyone of you and my new Mesa Family, great post WisJudge
02-24-2016 | 08:14 AM
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Kids are now in college (finally), tired of the 135 on demand, i believe the wife would also love this, being able to make plans. Don't live in IAH but have a lot of family there and of course something new.
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