New Mesa Thread
02-23-2016, 02:20 PM
#4651
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Joined APC: Sep 2011
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Dfw and Phx are fine. iad fo has 4 for the month but 0 open time. IAH is short. WAY short on fo. Look at it. Everyone got a line plus still have what looks like over 600 hours uncovered. This is the Mesa most of us are use to.
Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed
Wow has anyone looked at the IAH CA reserve grid for March? Single digit reserves available every day--average of ~4.5 reserve Captains per day.
I mean, I'm sure we have upgrades in the pipeline that'll be trickling in as the month rolls along, but it's going to be a fun one. Bring on that 2-3x OT babyyy!!!
What are you guys in DFW/IAD seeing? IAH FOs?
The breaking point for any growth in this industry is when attrition from both seats equals the ability to find and train new bodies--you can't bring new planes online if your new hires are only covering CA/FO attrition...maybe this is just a fluke in IAH, or a temporary backlog in the pipeline (like I said, we definitely have upgrades in the pipeline, and it's traditionally a busy month). But these are the lowest numbers I've seen since maybe 2013, and that was before the hiring pipeline was really in full gear.
So it seems like the ship starting to list a bit...only time will tell if she'll continue to beam on over, or if they'll get her back upright...I think we'll know by the end of the summer peak
I mean, I'm sure we have upgrades in the pipeline that'll be trickling in as the month rolls along, but it's going to be a fun one. Bring on that 2-3x OT babyyy!!!
What are you guys in DFW/IAD seeing? IAH FOs?
The breaking point for any growth in this industry is when attrition from both seats equals the ability to find and train new bodies--you can't bring new planes online if your new hires are only covering CA/FO attrition...maybe this is just a fluke in IAH, or a temporary backlog in the pipeline (like I said, we definitely have upgrades in the pipeline, and it's traditionally a busy month). But these are the lowest numbers I've seen since maybe 2013, and that was before the hiring pipeline was really in full gear.
So it seems like the ship starting to list a bit...only time will tell if she'll continue to beam on over, or if they'll get her back upright...I think we'll know by the end of the summer peak
02-23-2016, 03:28 PM
#4652
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Well, like others have said, there are a lot of captains in training for the ejet. There was some very big classes of FO's at the start of the year, I'd expect them to start trickling in over the next month. We'll have to see how attrition holds, but the sky isn't falling quite yet.
02-23-2016, 04:53 PM
#4653
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It's spring break buildup. Just wait til June. 😂
02-23-2016, 04:59 PM
#4654
New Hire
Joined APC: Dec 2015
Position: B737NG CA
Posts: 1
Pardon me if I am in the incorrect thread, but looking for info on Jumpseating on a Mesa flight (dba United Express) out of IAD. I am a Copa captain out of Panama and Copa and United recently signed a reciprical jumpseat agreement for cabin only access. The letter of agreement mentions United Express, but none of the carriers specifically. Is anyone there at Mesa familiar with this? Hope so, and look forward to giving a ride south to central/south America.
02-23-2016, 05:57 PM
#4655
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If you have a reciprocal agreement I would imagine you just list at the gate. If that causes you trouble, try listing through your pass bureau.
02-23-2016, 08:35 PM
#4656
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Joined APC: Feb 2016
Posts: 6
Originally Posted by Skyler02
My CFI friend is also comparing airlines and pulled this info together from the APC Airline info pages. It's just APC Data pulled into one place for convenience. For all those asking which regional you should choose, this may be helpful.
APC data was used for pay rates and bonuses. For hourly rates, if there were different rates for different A/C Types, we used a blended rate to keep it simple. Same thing for bonuses. If you want a Captain chart, we can do that too.
If any data needs to be updated, let me know.
EDIT: ExpressJet also just went to $40/hr year 1 and has a DFW base. The graph hasn't been updated yet for this.
Also, the sign on bonus the graph shows for Skywest is only for pilots with a type rating. Xjt has the same deal.
Good luck with your decision.
The data used for the graph:
APC data was used for pay rates and bonuses. For hourly rates, if there were different rates for different A/C Types, we used a blended rate to keep it simple. Same thing for bonuses. If you want a Captain chart, we can do that too.
If any data needs to be updated, let me know.
EDIT: ExpressJet also just went to $40/hr year 1 and has a DFW base. The graph hasn't been updated yet for this.
Also, the sign on bonus the graph shows for Skywest is only for pilots with a type rating. Xjt has the same deal.
Good luck with your decision.
The data used for the graph:
Are people really still actually considering flying for Mesa after seeing the gross disparity here?
02-23-2016, 08:51 PM
#4657
Chief Engineer
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 815
Originally Posted by MESArable
Are people really still actually considering flying for Mesa after seeing the gross disparity here?
02-24-2016, 03:22 AM
#4658
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Joined APC: Feb 2016
Posts: 2,559
And just think... If you change your attitude a little bit, you, too, may live long enough to to become one of those "old guys having a mid-life crisis", and then you can look back here and see all your disparaging remarks towards older people, and hang your head in shame.
Just remember... Some of those "old folks" you like to put down have been flying since before you were born.
Just remember... Some of those "old folks" you like to put down have been flying since before you were born.
Originally Posted by ScottyDo
Well just like the story mentioned from the guy a few pages back. All some old guy having a mid-life crisis and wants to fly a shiny jet for a hobby just has to pick up the phone and get a class date, hence why we have no leverage.
02-24-2016, 03:44 AM
#4659
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
Originally Posted by ScottyDo
Well just like the story mentioned from the guy a few pages back. All some old guy having a mid-life crisis and wants to fly a shiny jet for a hobby just has to pick up the phone and get a class date, hence why we have no leverage.
02-24-2016, 04:38 AM
#4660
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2016
Posts: 29
Originally Posted by BeatNavy
You are just as guilty of filling a right seat and reducing our leverage as a newhire is. You could have quit and gone to endeavor (or other) and made more money. And your lack of respect for older folks is embarrassing.
I have a question since I really have no idea. With all of the attrition at Mesa, how many of those leaving are "older guys"? More than the younger guys leaving? Equal? Less?
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