You are so global and cultured, yet you have to be antagonistic and disrespectful while trying to educate someone on "professionalism"? You gotta be better than that! Perhaps something for you to think about before your call to the big leagues comes?

 

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Not a "big guy" if you're referring to weight

 

Well, it's kind of tough to have that kind of politically correct, "safe space" touchy-feely conversation with a new hire FO who:

a) is running, and/or

b) doesn't have the linguistic toolkit to comprehend what you're trying to explain

If your FO forgets to retract the flaps on takeoff, do you have a little sit-down kumbaya chat with them about it?

If they're high as heck on the glideslope or veering off the centerline, do you say "hey, um, New Guy...I want you to feel comfortable and happy, but could we talk about the fact you're full-scale deviation on the, uh, glideslope?"

You have to be blunt with lots of things in this profession--telling new hires not to run in airports is one of those things.

 

How long have you been here? Do you really want to quit and start back at the bottom, go through another training cycle, etc.? Your pay will go up when you upgrade, and despite the people on here insisting the quick upgrade is gone (to try to keep the right seat empty for negotiating purposes), we are still filling classes, adding planes and will announce more new flying. The quick upgrade is here for a while, especially if you are already on property and out on the line, and our attrition off the top is picking up. Remember when FaceBiter was on here railing against Mesa saying the quick upgrade train left and everyone coming here was stupid? Well he was wrong. And now that a few of the former Mesa cheerleaders have upgraded, they want the right seats to be empty so they have more leverage in our ongoing negotiations.

The only way I would make a lateral move from Mesa is if you are currently commuting and could go somewhere else and live in base. It's not roses and butterflies at other regionals. SKW guys seem to be getting abused since they have no reserves. The wholly owneds, while they have decent AA priority and travel bennies, aren't great. A PSA buddy of mine who started there a little less than a year ago hates it and wants to bail. ENY? Yeah right. Piedmont? maybe, if you live in base. XJT? No way. CPZ? I'd do that if I lived in a CPZ base. RAH...yeah right. 9E? Maybe, if I lived in base. I'd ride out the low pay, but I don't know your situation/hours/proximity to upgrade. At least for a little while longer as you watch the trends with attrition and gain experience.

 

You just compared running through an airport to two very dangerous flying scenerios. And you don't have to be a dick to a new guy to explain something.

 

he is not a dick. he is just an idiot.. the type of pilot that nobody wants to fly with. the guy with the big ego..the person who tries to teach everybody while he knows nothing. the person who thinks is smart while being fooled by everyone. as for me I am just spending sometime on the forums. I am not even a Mesa employee

 

My CFI friend is also comparing airlines and pulled this info together from the APC Airline info pages. It's just APC Data pulled into one place for convenience. For all those asking which regional you should choose, this may be helpful.

APC data was used for pay rates and bonuses. For hourly rates, if there were different rates for different A/C Types, we used a blended rate to keep it simple. Same thing for bonuses. If you want a Captain chart, we can do that too.

If any data needs to be updated, let me know.

EDIT: ExpressJet also just went to $40/hr year 1 and has a DFW base. The graph hasn't been updated yet for this.

Also, the sign on bonus the graph shows for Skywest is only for pilots with a type rating. Xjt has the same deal.

Good luck with your decision.



The data used for the graph:

 

Thank You for your reply, this is very much the kind of info I'm looking for, plus, I'm trying to talk to people working there.

Just trying to weigh money and benifits I need to make in near future, might not be able to or want to wait till a possible upgrade.

 

You could also take the experience you gained at Mesa and find a local corporate gig which should pay better than any regional and most likely a much higher QOL.

 

You sensitive bro?