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#4151
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Position: Right Seat A320
Posts: 57
Just wondering, If I opted out of an upgrade class because I received another job offer 4 days before my upgrade class started, can the company put me back on reserve for the rest of the month? I have roughly 4 weeks or so until my class date next month, and didn't want to start the upgrade since:
1. Didn't want to waste the company's time or money.
2. Get stuck with a training agreement.
I kindly declined the class as soon as I found out Monday of the new job offer, and the upgrade class started today. However I asked to be back as an active F.O and they put me as a reserve pilot with a reserve line, but I cannot change or alter the schedule a single bit. With my seniority I am able to hold a line at any base easily without any problem. I don't know if Crew Line adjustments can put me on reserve as I am pretty sure our contract says they can't really do that. Any tips from other guy on what to do?
1. Didn't want to waste the company's time or money.
2. Get stuck with a training agreement.
I kindly declined the class as soon as I found out Monday of the new job offer, and the upgrade class started today. However I asked to be back as an active F.O and they put me as a reserve pilot with a reserve line, but I cannot change or alter the schedule a single bit. With my seniority I am able to hold a line at any base easily without any problem. I don't know if Crew Line adjustments can put me on reserve as I am pretty sure our contract says they can't really do that. Any tips from other guy on what to do?
#4152
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 233
Having the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do. Like I said before, denying someone the jumpseat because you're mad is middle schooler behavior. If you want people to treat you like a professional then act like a professional.
#4153
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 688
Yes they can.
Just wondering, If I opted out of an upgrade class because I received another job offer 4 days before my upgrade class started, can the company put me back on reserve for the rest of the month? I have roughly 4 weeks or so until my class date next month, and didn't want to start the upgrade since:
1. Didn't want to waste the company's time or money.
2. Get stuck with a training agreement.
I kindly declined the class as soon as I found out Monday of the new job offer, and the upgrade class started today. However I asked to be back as an active F.O and they put me as a reserve pilot with a reserve line, but I cannot change or alter the schedule a single bit. With my seniority I am able to hold a line at any base easily without any problem. I don't know if Crew Line adjustments can put me on reserve as I am pretty sure our contract says they can't really do that. Any tips from other guy on what to do?
1. Didn't want to waste the company's time or money.
2. Get stuck with a training agreement.
I kindly declined the class as soon as I found out Monday of the new job offer, and the upgrade class started today. However I asked to be back as an active F.O and they put me as a reserve pilot with a reserve line, but I cannot change or alter the schedule a single bit. With my seniority I am able to hold a line at any base easily without any problem. I don't know if Crew Line adjustments can put me on reserve as I am pretty sure our contract says they can't really do that. Any tips from other guy on what to do?
#4154
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 10,158
I'll never deny a Jumpseat to any pilot who follows the rules. Deny it to a new hire? Why? If it really bothers you, keep them as your captive, and drill them to death about why it is not good.
Are any of you going to go off the "A List", and deny the Jumpseat to many who are check airman? No?
Are any of you going to go off the "A List", and deny the Jumpseat to many who are check airman? No?
#4155
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 233
Most of the time, the new hire doesn't know better anyways. Most of them, especially those with no 121 experience, don't know how a union works or that the company can't just give them things outside the CBA. I'd bet 100% of them don't the ins and outs of the contract when they are issued the iPad in the first place. So, when they are on the jumpseat, give them a little union education and tell them why its wrong, then file a grievance. In the end, it is the company that is wrong. Everyone should be getting their own iPad as paid by the company.
#4156
I guess you missed the part about me saying whining about a CA's decision to give or deny the jumpseat online does nothing?
#4157
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 977
I respectfully said "thanks you guys have a nice trip" because it's his absolute right to refuse me a jumpseat for any reason (or no reason at all).
Jumpseating is a courtesy not a privilege.
#4158
Covfefe
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
I once had a TransStates Captain deny me the jumpseat for a 2 hour flight very early in the morning. He was a bigger guy, and that cockpit is pretty tight, and he was pretty much like "sorry I don't want anyone up here right now."
I respectfully said "thanks you guys have a nice trip" because it's his absolute right to refuse me a jumpseat for any reason (or no reason at all).
Jumpseating is a courtesy not a privilege.
I respectfully said "thanks you guys have a nice trip" because it's his absolute right to refuse me a jumpseat for any reason (or no reason at all).
Jumpseating is a courtesy not a privilege.
#4159
That could easily start a jumpseat war. I don't think the JS committee would be very happy about that. While it is the captain's discretion, there should be a pretty damn good reason to deny someone. But if it's available, the jumpseater abides by all JS protocol and asks politely if it's okay to catch a ride, if captains willy nilly just deny the JS, that would be very bad for this industry, hence why JS committees exist.
#4160
Covfefe
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
I coulda sworn your boy was referencing a trans states captain denying him a jumpseat just because. Please read before you post, it'll save you some face and credibility. In this case, look one post higher to the one I quoted and actually read it.
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