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Old 02-04-2016, 05:21 PM
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Just wondering, If I opted out of an upgrade class because I received another job offer 4 days before my upgrade class started, can the company put me back on reserve for the rest of the month? I have roughly 4 weeks or so until my class date next month, and didn't want to start the upgrade since:
1. Didn't want to waste the company's time or money.
2. Get stuck with a training agreement.

I kindly declined the class as soon as I found out Monday of the new job offer, and the upgrade class started today. However I asked to be back as an active F.O and they put me as a reserve pilot with a reserve line, but I cannot change or alter the schedule a single bit. With my seniority I am able to hold a line at any base easily without any problem. I don't know if Crew Line adjustments can put me on reserve as I am pretty sure our contract says they can't really do that. Any tips from other guy on what to do?
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Old 02-04-2016, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ScottyDo View Post
Dude let it go, a CA can deny the jumpseat to anyone for any reason. It's his or her right to do so. Patronizing someone online about it does nothing.
Having the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do. Like I said before, denying someone the jumpseat because you're mad is middle schooler behavior. If you want people to treat you like a professional then act like a professional.
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Old 02-04-2016, 05:28 PM
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Yes they can.


Originally Posted by pilot207 View Post
Just wondering, If I opted out of an upgrade class because I received another job offer 4 days before my upgrade class started, can the company put me back on reserve for the rest of the month? I have roughly 4 weeks or so until my class date next month, and didn't want to start the upgrade since:
1. Didn't want to waste the company's time or money.
2. Get stuck with a training agreement.

I kindly declined the class as soon as I found out Monday of the new job offer, and the upgrade class started today. However I asked to be back as an active F.O and they put me as a reserve pilot with a reserve line, but I cannot change or alter the schedule a single bit. With my seniority I am able to hold a line at any base easily without any problem. I don't know if Crew Line adjustments can put me on reserve as I am pretty sure our contract says they can't really do that. Any tips from other guy on what to do?
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Old 02-04-2016, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by iFlyRC View Post
I'll never deny a Jumpseat to any pilot who follows the rules. Deny it to a new hire? Why? If it really bothers you, keep them as your captive, and drill them to death about why it is not good.
Are any of you going to go off the "A List", and deny the Jumpseat to many who are check airman? No?
Most of the time, the new hire doesn't know better anyways. Most of them, especially those with no 121 experience, don't know how a union works or that the company can't just give them things outside the CBA. I'd bet 100% of them don't the ins and outs of the contract when they are issued the iPad in the first place. So, when they are on the jumpseat, give them a little union education and tell them why its wrong, then file a grievance. In the end, it is the company that is wrong. Everyone should be getting their own iPad as paid by the company.
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Old 02-04-2016, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy View Post
Most of the time, the new hire doesn't know better anyways. Most of them, especially those with no 121 experience, don't know how a union works or that the company can't just give them things outside the CBA. I'd bet 100% of them don't the ins and outs of the contract when they are issued the iPad in the first place. So, when they are on the jumpseat, give them a little union education and tell them why its wrong, then file a grievance. In the end, it is the company that is wrong. Everyone should be getting their own iPad as paid by the company.
Maybe we have more in common than I previously thought. This is spot on.
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Old 02-04-2016, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by FrequentFly3r View Post
Having the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do. Like I said before, denying someone the jumpseat because you're mad is middle schooler behavior. If you want people to treat you like a professional then act like a professional.
I guess you missed the part about me saying whining about a CA's decision to give or deny the jumpseat online does nothing?
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Old 02-04-2016, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ScottyDo View Post
I guess you missed the part about me saying whining about a CA's decision to give or deny the jumpseat online does nothing?
I once had a TransStates Captain deny me the jumpseat for a 2 hour flight very early in the morning. He was a bigger guy, and that cockpit is pretty tight, and he was pretty much like "sorry I don't want anyone up here right now."

I respectfully said "thanks you guys have a nice trip" because it's his absolute right to refuse me a jumpseat for any reason (or no reason at all).

Jumpseating is a courtesy not a privilege.
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Old 02-04-2016, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed View Post
I once had a TransStates Captain deny me the jumpseat for a 2 hour flight very early in the morning. He was a bigger guy, and that cockpit is pretty tight, and he was pretty much like "sorry I don't want anyone up here right now."

I respectfully said "thanks you guys have a nice trip" because it's his absolute right to refuse me a jumpseat for any reason (or no reason at all).

Jumpseating is a courtesy not a privilege.
That could easily start a jumpseat war. I don't think the JS committee would be very happy about that. While it is the captain's discretion, there should be a pretty damn good reason to deny someone. But if it's available, the jumpseater abides by all JS protocol and asks politely if it's okay to catch a ride, if captains willy nilly just deny the JS, that would be very bad for this industry, hence why JS committees exist.
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Old 02-04-2016, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy View Post
That could easily start a jumpseat war. I don't think the JS committee would be very happy about that. While it is the captain's discretion, there should be a pretty damn good reason to deny someone. But if it's available, the jumpseater abides by all JS protocol and asks politely if it's okay to catch a ride, if captains willy nilly just deny the JS, that would be very bad for this industry, hence why JS committees exist.
A jumpseat war between our CA's and our new hire FO's? lolz please...
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Old 02-04-2016, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ScottyDo View Post
A jumpseat war between our CA's and our new hire FO's? lolz please...
I coulda sworn your boy was referencing a trans states captain denying him a jumpseat just because. Please read before you post, it'll save you some face and credibility. In this case, look one post higher to the one I quoted and actually read it.
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