New Mesa Thread
02-03-2016, 10:43 PM
#4141
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You guys have to understand that FHS is frustrated. As are many Mesa folks. Would he ever deny a JS ride to anyone? Just from reading his posts, I seriously doubt it. He seems to me like a real stand-up guy.
He's not the only one who thinks the shennagins of Mesa to try to obtain new hires is wrong. He is just willing to voice his frustration here. Might even tell a new hire how wrong it is that they are getting what they are getting. But deny them a jumpseat? I seriously doubt it.
He's not the only one who thinks the shennagins of Mesa to try to obtain new hires is wrong. He is just willing to voice his frustration here. Might even tell a new hire how wrong it is that they are getting what they are getting. But deny them a jumpseat? I seriously doubt it.
Originally Posted by FrequentFly3r
Denying someone a ride home because of the company they work for or because they're an FNG and accepted "gifts" that other people didn't get (that they had no idea about, more than likely) has got to be one of the most childest things I've ever heard of.
People are acting like a bunch of middle schoolers on the line while demanding to be called professionals. This kind of attitude is one of the most annoying parts of this industry.
People are acting like a bunch of middle schoolers on the line while demanding to be called professionals. This kind of attitude is one of the most annoying parts of this industry.
02-04-2016, 04:46 AM
#4142
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Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 688
Did you have your hotel paid for as a new hire? Anyone with more then 5 yrs on property didn't. You just took compensation that we didn't and isn't in the contract. Same thing.
Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed
Okay okay--I'm not actually going to deny FNGs jumpseats for usurping our contract/sidestepping our union. They're going to get a stern lecture though.
I have spoken to some DFW/IAD Captains who seem fairly serious about denying jumpseats. They'll probably just get in trouble with mgmt over it, and then they'll stop doing it. And no one will probably actually do it.
And no--I most certainly would not have accepted the iPad reimbursement or additional $1,000/month. My old man was a diehard union guy, and I even got pulled out of school once to attend a strike--if he found out I was taking money no one else was getting, without agreement of the union, he probably would've flown to PHX and smacked me across the head, even as a crotchety old man.
I have spoken to some DFW/IAD Captains who seem fairly serious about denying jumpseats. They'll probably just get in trouble with mgmt over it, and then they'll stop doing it. And no one will probably actually do it.
And no--I most certainly would not have accepted the iPad reimbursement or additional $1,000/month. My old man was a diehard union guy, and I even got pulled out of school once to attend a strike--if he found out I was taking money no one else was getting, without agreement of the union, he probably would've flown to PHX and smacked me across the head, even as a crotchety old man.
02-04-2016, 07:02 AM
#4143
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Joined APC: Nov 2015
Position: Freight 75/76 FO
Posts: 140
Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed
If your AC was inoperable--and unable to satisfactorily maintain temperature to your desired range--then the hotel does not qualify as suitable accomodations under 117.
Guys--if your AC doesn't work to your desire, if the power goes out, or if the hotel is noisy enough it wakes you up w/o an 8-hour block of undisturbed rest, you are violating a FAR by staying there and reporting to work/flying the next day.
It drives me insane how so many of these glad-happy yes-men IAH newbie Captains/FOs will literally sleep in a barn if only the company asks them to, in accomodations that clearly violate 117 and showing up to work after clearly not getting appropriate rest.
Would you accept an approach to an ILS when the ATIS states a visibility less than the required value (outside the FAF)??? Would you takeoff with an open write-up/EICAS fault displayed and unaddressed without calling maintenance/grounding the plane??? Would you accept an assignment that violates 117 FDP limits???
If something in your hotel (like no electricity/air conditioning that does not maintain temperature/etc.) violates 117 definitions of suitable accomodations, you are violating a FAR--no different than if you violate any other FAR.
Call Crew Tracking and be firm and direct--"my a/c isn't working, this hotel doesn't meet the requirements of FAR 117, I am not staying here find me another hotel." I have done this 3-4 times--you just have to be firm, direct, and to the point.
Do not ask--demand another hotel and tell them you'll have to file an ASAP if they insist on marking you "in rest" in a hotel without an operative, functioning climate control system.
It's time to end the downward spiral of crappier hotels--have more respect for yourself and what you do, guys. You're insulting the victims of Colgan 3407 and other crashes by staying in dumps without functional air conditioning.
Guys--if your AC doesn't work to your desire, if the power goes out, or if the hotel is noisy enough it wakes you up w/o an 8-hour block of undisturbed rest, you are violating a FAR by staying there and reporting to work/flying the next day.
It drives me insane how so many of these glad-happy yes-men IAH newbie Captains/FOs will literally sleep in a barn if only the company asks them to, in accomodations that clearly violate 117 and showing up to work after clearly not getting appropriate rest.
Would you accept an approach to an ILS when the ATIS states a visibility less than the required value (outside the FAF)??? Would you takeoff with an open write-up/EICAS fault displayed and unaddressed without calling maintenance/grounding the plane??? Would you accept an assignment that violates 117 FDP limits???
If something in your hotel (like no electricity/air conditioning that does not maintain temperature/etc.) violates 117 definitions of suitable accomodations, you are violating a FAR--no different than if you violate any other FAR.
Call Crew Tracking and be firm and direct--"my a/c isn't working, this hotel doesn't meet the requirements of FAR 117, I am not staying here find me another hotel." I have done this 3-4 times--you just have to be firm, direct, and to the point.
Do not ask--demand another hotel and tell them you'll have to file an ASAP if they insist on marking you "in rest" in a hotel without an operative, functioning climate control system.
It's time to end the downward spiral of crappier hotels--have more respect for yourself and what you do, guys. You're insulting the victims of Colgan 3407 and other crashes by staying in dumps without functional air conditioning.
Also, I appreciate the refresher course on FAR 117. For the record, I have a decent knowledge of the regulations that apply to my job, and always try to do by best to adhere to them.
Regards,
02-04-2016, 10:28 AM
#4144
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 434
Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed
I've seen countless GoJetters refused jumpseats on TransStates over the years. I've been refused a jumpseat on Eagle before, right after we started doing "their" LAX flying.
It happens--just because you haven't seen it happen in your probably-shorter-than-mine career doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
How long have you been an airline pilot?
It happens--just because you haven't seen it happen in your probably-shorter-than-mine career doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
How long have you been an airline pilot?
It's all the internet tough guy persona.
I have 2 friends at G7 both of whom commute and they've not once been denied.
Just like these YV Captains who claim they'll deny new hires because of small stuff.
The ONLY confirmed instance I've ever heard is that TSA lady captain who apparently denied everybody the js.
Life's not always fair or just. If they ever sign a new agreement and new hires are getting 40/hr, should those of is getting 22/hr demand back pay? No.
Well I'm guessing 90% or more of us would have a damn iPad regardless of working at Mesa or not. It's so worthless getting worked up about.
Yes, I'd have loved $1000 extra each month for housing. Oh well- I didn't get it. And as someone else said, people coming in are likely unaware of these bonuses being new.
For me- I was unaware that they didn't always provide housing for training until I read that.
Things obviously change.
Gotta roll with it and pick your battles man.
02-04-2016, 11:08 AM
#4145
Chief Engineer
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 815
Lol all these new guys about to have a heart attack because of flaps. Just don't answer them any more man they don't get it.
02-04-2016, 11:39 AM
#4146
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: Ball Turret Gunner
Posts: 297
Originally Posted by ScottyDo
Okay just had an awesome idea. A CA on here who actually has some money needs to get a hold of some testosterone pills and then mail them to our MEC. They will get the idea, plus they could use some.
02-04-2016, 11:58 AM
#4147
Chief Engineer
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 815
Originally Posted by milehighskyline
I am actually going to the doctor in a few days. I am going to ask the doctor for some free samples and mail them. Pix coming. Funny as hell.
02-04-2016, 12:17 PM
#4148
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Posts: 1,198
I'll never deny a Jumpseat to any pilot who follows the rules. Deny it to a new hire? Why? If it really bothers you, keep them as your captive, and drill them to death about why it is not good.
Are any of you going to go off the "A List", and deny the Jumpseat to many who are check airman? No?
Are any of you going to go off the "A List", and deny the Jumpseat to many who are check airman? No?
02-04-2016, 12:30 PM
#4149
Chief Engineer
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 815
Originally Posted by iFlyRC
I'll never deny a Jumpseat to any pilot who follows the rules. Deny it to a new hire? Why? If it really bothers you, keep them as your captive, and drill them to death about why it is not good.
Are any of you going to go off the "A List", and deny the Jumpseat to many who are check airman? No?
Are any of you going to go off the "A List", and deny the Jumpseat to many who are check airman? No?
02-04-2016, 12:31 PM
#4150
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Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: Airbus FO
Posts: 278
Don't deny jumpseats. We don't need to make our own career worse. Instead, use that time to educate.
As for the frustrations at Mesa, well don't plan on anything changing anytime soon. Mesa is a contractor. You have a job. You have (currently) tons of opportunity to move on to better places so do it.
Attrition is the only way Mesa will get a better contract. Guys keep coming with low pay so let it be. Lets keep it a good pilot group. No fights. However, your job is to educate that we all deserve so much more.
Mesa is what you make of it.
Could be great, or could be horrible. Depends on how you want it to be.
Peace.
As for the frustrations at Mesa, well don't plan on anything changing anytime soon. Mesa is a contractor. You have a job. You have (currently) tons of opportunity to move on to better places so do it.
Attrition is the only way Mesa will get a better contract. Guys keep coming with low pay so let it be. Lets keep it a good pilot group. No fights. However, your job is to educate that we all deserve so much more.
Mesa is what you make of it.
Could be great, or could be horrible. Depends on how you want it to be.
Peace.
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