Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed

You are exactly the type of patronizing "I flew GA when you were in diapers, whippersnapper" type who is literally making my life miserable on every 4-day recently.

Just reading that lengthy post to ScottyDo, I know 100% I don't want to fly with you. I don't care about your business experience and blah blah blah--sorry. Don't take it personally--I'm just trying to be upfront and honest and telling you that none of those things matter to me at all when we're trying to operate an EJet in a 121 environment safely and without getting violated.

Now, maybe if you can figure out and openly admit that NONE of your past life experience/business instincts/experience running a GA airport/flying GA have almost NO relevance to flying an EJet in 121 passenger ops--if you can do that--and literally acknowledge that whatever you did before gives you essentially zero "instincts" in the 121 grind--then maybe I'll fly with you. But I can already see that's going to be a problem with you on the line, because you can't stop talking about it on here.

I honestly don't care if you're 64 or 24--the stereotype many of us Captains are applying to "old guys" is simply a rough correlation: were you flying passenger ops in 121 for the last 25 years? No? Ok--then we've established that I have vastly more experience to you (in the context of this job/operation), and so when I tell you you're messing up/too high on GS/didn't read back the clearance right (all things that all new guys mess up)--you won't take it personally, debate it with me, or act like a butthurt child who's ego and "experience" as a guy 20 years older than me have been insulted? Can you do that for me, bud?

If we can clear up that your whole background and life story has almost nothing to do with flying an airliner safely, and if you can just stop talking about it during every leg, then maybe we'll get along and be ok--not optimstic based on past experience with "old guys."

Sorry--just venting a bit

rant over

Originally Posted by Cloud 9

Thank you Scotty, that was nice of you to answer for me

Originally Posted by mjpilot

What's up with this vacation buy back mail?

Originally Posted by FrequentFly3r

We're hiring guys who haven't flown in 15-20 years, who have never flown or been trained on turbine airplanes/operations, who have no formal aviation training, who have 1500 hours flying the pattern in a C150 at their local airport. Before you all rip me on this - I didn't say EVERYONE we hire falls into this category but some of the people we hire do. That should be a huge safety concern for everyone.

Originally Posted by Out Of Trim

Your point is well taken as there's much truth in it. But, don't think that Mesa is alone in this. EVERY regional is doing it right now, and to no lesser degree than Mesa. That is a fact.

As for all those on here that want to fault new hires for their beefs about pay, QOL, work rules, etc ... I say look in the mirror and see where the true problem lies. How on earth do you blame somebody else who is simply looking for a job (at the same airline that you work for no less)? Do you not see the folly in that?

Here it is ... plain and simple. You know those union dues we're paying? Well, how well is THAT working for us? I can not with a sound conscience blame my own situation on a new hire. If I choose to sit quietly while waiting and hoping for things to change while my union does nothing then I'm equally to blame. The new hires have no dirt on them. They didn't cause any of this.