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02-27-2016 | 07:45 PM
#4801
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Just stop. Your blue-sky kumbaya attitude is simply out of blind ignorance. JO has said to many pilots' faces that the reason why he pays so low is because that is what the market dictates. Supply vs. demand. As long as wide eyed new hires fill classes, there is no economic reason to raise pay.
You presumably haven't even finished training, but you already think you're of good authority to decide who "gets it"? You should slow down on spouting your garbage before you know a thing or two about what you're talking about.
To those that spout about how "quick upgrades are alive": how many people actually upgraded in less than a year? 10? 30? I don't study standing bid awards, but it's not enough to sell that to a friend to come here. As others have said, if you were hired in 2013-14 and were able to make short work of the embaressing FO pay scale, great. However, if you come here because it's the only place you could get hired and don't care about the pay... You're a part of the problem, and you're lying to yourself.
The company has been completely unwilling to provide us with improvements in pay, hotels, healthcare, NONREV BENEFITS, interviews/flows or anything else for that matter. Anyone that signs up for a class date today is either 1. A mid-life crisis type 2. Can't get hired elsewhere or 3. Has either done no research, or doesn't value them self as a professional pilot
You presumably haven't even finished training, but you already think you're of good authority to decide who "gets it"? You should slow down on spouting your garbage before you know a thing or two about what you're talking about.
To those that spout about how "quick upgrades are alive": how many people actually upgraded in less than a year? 10? 30? I don't study standing bid awards, but it's not enough to sell that to a friend to come here. As others have said, if you were hired in 2013-14 and were able to make short work of the embaressing FO pay scale, great. However, if you come here because it's the only place you could get hired and don't care about the pay... You're a part of the problem, and you're lying to yourself.
The company has been completely unwilling to provide us with improvements in pay, hotels, healthcare, NONREV BENEFITS, interviews/flows or anything else for that matter. Anyone that signs up for a class date today is either 1. A mid-life crisis type 2. Can't get hired elsewhere or 3. Has either done no research, or doesn't value them self as a professional pilot
All the pilots on property are responsible for Mesa's compensation. We all choose to continue to work here. Pointing your finger at each other for it is stupid. The senior pilots are no better than the new hires in this regard. The only pilots who are doing something about it are the ones leaving.
02-27-2016 | 07:57 PM
#4802
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Joined: Mar 2013
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From: 175 Left
Just stop. Your blue-sky kumbaya attitude is simply out of blind ignorance. JO has said to many pilots' faces that the reason why he pays so low is because that is what the market dictates. Supply vs. demand. As long as wide eyed new hires fill classes, there is no economic reason to raise pay.
You presumably haven't even finished training, but you already think you're of good authority to decide who "gets it"? You should slow down on spouting your garbage before you know a thing or two about what you're talking about.
To those that spout about how "quick upgrades are alive": how many people actually upgraded in less than a year? 10? 30? I don't study standing bid awards, but it's not enough to sell that to a friend to come here. As others have said, if you were hired in 2013-14 and were able to make short work of the embaressing FO pay scale, great. However, if you come here because it's the only place you could get hired and don't care about the pay... You're a part of the problem, and you're lying to yourself.
The company has been completely unwilling to provide us with improvements in pay, hotels, healthcare, NONREV BENEFITS, interviews/flows or anything else for that matter. Anyone that signs up for a class date today is either 1. A mid-life crisis type 2. Can't get hired elsewhere or 3. Has either done no research, or doesn't value them self as a professional pilot
You presumably haven't even finished training, but you already think you're of good authority to decide who "gets it"? You should slow down on spouting your garbage before you know a thing or two about what you're talking about.
To those that spout about how "quick upgrades are alive": how many people actually upgraded in less than a year? 10? 30? I don't study standing bid awards, but it's not enough to sell that to a friend to come here. As others have said, if you were hired in 2013-14 and were able to make short work of the embaressing FO pay scale, great. However, if you come here because it's the only place you could get hired and don't care about the pay... You're a part of the problem, and you're lying to yourself.
The company has been completely unwilling to provide us with improvements in pay, hotels, healthcare, NONREV BENEFITS, interviews/flows or anything else for that matter. Anyone that signs up for a class date today is either 1. A mid-life crisis type 2. Can't get hired elsewhere or 3. Has either done no research, or doesn't value them self as a professional pilot
02-27-2016 | 08:08 PM
#4803
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Joined: Mar 2013
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From: 175 Left
If they want to live on a base that Mesa is stationed or already have their 1000 121 time, it's a better place to be than quite a few regionals. If they just wanted a new type, some experience, and not have to jump through a lot of hoops, and bail after 3 months to their corporate gig, its a good place to be.
All the pilots on property are responsible for Mesa's compensation. We all choose to continue to work here. Pointing your finger at each other for it is stupid. The senior pilots are no better than the new hires in this regard. The only pilots who are doing something about it are the ones leaving.
All the pilots on property are responsible for Mesa's compensation. We all choose to continue to work here. Pointing your finger at each other for it is stupid. The senior pilots are no better than the new hires in this regard. The only pilots who are doing something about it are the ones leaving.
In today's market with 50k first year pay at 9E, $40 hour year one at OO, XJT, S5, YX..... quick upgrades at TSA, PSA, Compass and OO (soon?) you are nothing short of retarded for coming to work here. There are plenty of places you can get hired to fly a shiny new 175 for almost twice as what Mesa pays.
So yes, You New Guy. As long as you are coming to class, you are hurting our ability to get a new contract. And no, iflyRC is wrong, it's not every other pilot on properties fault. The times were different when we came here. Taking a job that pays $22 hour is not equal to quitting a job that pays $63 an hour just because that same job pays $22 first year. We have too much invested as 3rd or 4th year employees. The problem is the people coming here now.
02-27-2016 | 08:18 PM
#4804
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Oh horsesh*t. When I came to Mesa, there was really no quick upgrade anywhere but Compass. And it was HARD to get hired there. (2012-2013) Everyone paid about $22-24 an hour, and anyone who had any sort of a "better" contract, and was hiring (XJT) was career suicide due to all the 50 seaters. Mesa offered the same pay as everyone else, no 50 seaters, and some possible growth (only first 9 900s had heen announced, E175s were a strong rumor) on the horizon.
In today's market with 50k first year pay at 9E, $40 hour year one at OO, XJT, S5, YX..... quick upgrades at TSA, PSA, Compass and OO (soon?) you are nothing short of retarded for coming to work here. There are plenty of places you can get hired to fly a shiny new 175 for almost twice as what Mesa pays.
So yes, You New Guy. As long as you are coming to class, you are hurting our ability to get a new contract. And no, iflyRC is wrong, it's not every other pilot on properties fault. The times were different when we came here. Taking a job that pays $22 hour is not equal to quitting a job that pays $63 an hour just because that same job pays $22 first year. We have too much invested as 3rd or 4th year employees. The problem is the people coming here now.
In today's market with 50k first year pay at 9E, $40 hour year one at OO, XJT, S5, YX..... quick upgrades at TSA, PSA, Compass and OO (soon?) you are nothing short of retarded for coming to work here. There are plenty of places you can get hired to fly a shiny new 175 for almost twice as what Mesa pays.
So yes, You New Guy. As long as you are coming to class, you are hurting our ability to get a new contract. And no, iflyRC is wrong, it's not every other pilot on properties fault. The times were different when we came here. Taking a job that pays $22 hour is not equal to quitting a job that pays $63 an hour just because that same job pays $22 first year. We have too much invested as 3rd or 4th year employees. The problem is the people coming here now.
02-27-2016 | 10:24 PM
#4805
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Joined: Aug 2014
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From: CRJ FO
You've been here long enough to have no excuse for not going to a LCC. Maybe you want 1000 121 tpic first, that should be 4 or 5 months away since you have a similiar hire date as me. You and I sticking around are also part of the problem. So if you lived in Dallas, you would actually go to Envoy or Express Jet? Envoys 2.5 and 6 is a complete lie, and Xjet has no upgrade in sight. People with 1000 121 hired today can still get an upgrade. Yes, others will have to wait much longer but it is still better than Xjet or Envoy.
02-28-2016 | 02:31 AM
#4806
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Because unlike Mesa and every other regional right now. Getting a job with big aircraft is not as simple as just having a pulse.
You've been here long enough to have no excuse for not going to a LCC. Maybe you want 1000 121 tpic first, that should be 4 or 5 months away since you have a similiar hire date as me. You and I sticking around are also part of the problem. So if you lived in Dallas, you would actually go to Envoy or Express Jet? Envoys 2.5 and 6 is a complete lie, and Xjet has no upgrade in sight. People with 1000 121 hired today can still get an upgrade. Yes, others will have to wait much longer but it is still better than Xjet or Envoy.
02-28-2016 | 04:06 AM
#4807
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Joined: Aug 2013
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You've been here long enough to have no excuse for not going to a LCC. Maybe you want 1000 121 tpic first, that should be 4 or 5 months away since you have a similiar hire date as me. You and I sticking around are also part of the problem. So if you lived in Dallas, you would actually go to Envoy or Express Jet? Envoys 2.5 and 6 is a complete lie, and Xjet has no upgrade in sight. People with 1000 121 hired today can still get an upgrade. Yes, others will have to wait much longer but it is still better than Xjet or Envoy.
Wrong again. This isn't a pilot shortage, it's a PAY shortage. The shortage is of people willing to make 22k /year pretax to fly a large jet. If you make more than 3x that as a captain, then you're not part of the problem. This isn't personal, it's economics. The company doesn't care if you don't like the pay/benefits offered or if they're fair. They only care about cd0/ccf.
02-28-2016 | 04:27 AM
#4808
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Joined: Jun 2014
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From: Mannin' deez blenps
I love how some of these guy show up thinking its gonna be a kiss a--phone call and KY coaxing. They're just waiting for the big "Hired" call to get 'em over to an airline like JetBlue or a major like United. Yeah boys, just keep refreshin airlineapps. Someone will be right with you.
02-28-2016 | 06:12 AM
#4809
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Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 157
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From: CL-65
Oh horsesh*t. When I came to Mesa, there was really no quick upgrade anywhere but Compass. And it was HARD to get hired there. (2012-2013) Everyone paid about $22-24 an hour, and anyone who had any sort of a "better" contract, and was hiring (XJT) was career suicide due to all the 50 seaters. Mesa offered the same pay as everyone else, no 50 seaters, and some possible growth (only first 9 900s had heen announced, E175s were a strong rumor) on the horizon.
In today's market with 50k first year pay at 9E, $40 hour year one at OO, XJT, S5, YX..... quick upgrades at TSA, PSA, Compass and OO (soon?) you are nothing short of retarded for coming to work here. There are plenty of places you can get hired to fly a shiny new 175 for almost twice as what Mesa pays.
So yes, You New Guy. As long as you are coming to class, you are hurting our ability to get a new contract. And no, iflyRC is wrong, it's not every other pilot on properties fault. The times were different when we came here. Taking a job that pays $22 hour is not equal to quitting a job that pays $63 an hour just because that same job pays $22 first year. We have too much invested as 3rd or 4th year employees. The problem is the people coming here now.
In today's market with 50k first year pay at 9E, $40 hour year one at OO, XJT, S5, YX..... quick upgrades at TSA, PSA, Compass and OO (soon?) you are nothing short of retarded for coming to work here. There are plenty of places you can get hired to fly a shiny new 175 for almost twice as what Mesa pays.
So yes, You New Guy. As long as you are coming to class, you are hurting our ability to get a new contract. And no, iflyRC is wrong, it's not every other pilot on properties fault. The times were different when we came here. Taking a job that pays $22 hour is not equal to quitting a job that pays $63 an hour just because that same job pays $22 first year. We have too much invested as 3rd or 4th year employees. The problem is the people coming here now.
You can't expect complaining on a fourm to change that fact. It is a fact that people are coming to class for whatever reason they deem to be the right choice for them.
One day, those people will dry up. Who knows when that will be but I don't suspect JO to let that happen anytime soon. He's playing the game well. We are the lowest paid with the highest insurance cost. Its bull, but we came here knowing the game and are choosing to participate.
If you think there is going to be even an industry average contract approved by JO, then I think we are in for a long hard fight in front of us. It is up to the union to fight the good fight under the conditions they operate within. If they are filling classes, then our leverage in that respect is gone. But we have other ways to get a better contract.
02-28-2016 | 06:36 AM
#4810
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From: CL-65
Wrong again. This isn't a pilot shortage, it's a PAY shortage. The shortage is of people willing to make 22k /year pretax to fly a large jet. If you make more than 3x that as a captain, then you're not part of the problem. This isn't personal, it's economics. The company doesn't care if you don't like the pay/benefits offered or if they're fair. They only care about cd0/ccf.
I live in the DFW area, have for a while. I left corporate and you can make 45K a year flying right seat in a King Air. You're not even a required crewmember carrying up to 10 people and make far more than the average regional first or second year pay to carry up to 8 times as many people.
There is a PR race out there among airline CEO's to make the issue about pilot availability and not about the pay. They love what they have been able to get away with for years and certainly don't want to loose that. If they can convince the public it is again the "governments fault" for creating poor, useless regulations in terms of pilot requirements, then they win.... again.
It is our job, and the job of our respective unions to continue to make aware to the public what we are paid to fly them around.
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