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Old 02-24-2016 | 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Out Of Trim
Yeah, well you pretty much made my point for me. The real problem isn't the fact that new hires with minimal experience or qualifications are getting seats in class. That's the symptom and, you can't blame them for jumping on the chance. If recruiting isn't able to do any better than that because of sub par pay, QOL, etc, then those are the real problems. I think we pretty much agree on everything here, I just don't see it appropriate for some people to hold it against new hires for coming here and to see them as being the ones responsible for conditions not changing. That was the point I was trying to make.
I would also like to add that somehow the company is getting away with giving away gifts.... I have only heard one small statement from the union on this and that was over a month ago. Can anyone give us an update on what is going on with insulting slap in the face?
Old 02-24-2016 | 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by milehighskyline
I would also like to add that somehow the company is getting away with giving away gifts.... I have only heard one small statement from the union on this and that was over a month ago. Can anyone give us an update on what is going on with insulting slap in the face?
What sort of gifts have you heard about?
Old 02-24-2016 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Out Of Trim
What sort of gifts have you heard about?
Company paid iPads, paid extra food allowances, now advertising crash pad allowances, ect. Its a slap in the face to not only the pilots but also our union. I thought they had some expensive engine maintenance coming due???? Or mabe some one found the pot of gold.
Old 02-24-2016 | 09:04 PM
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Are the Mesa fight attendants really that bad???
Old 02-24-2016 | 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by milehighskyline
Company paid iPads, paid extra food allowances, now advertising crash pad allowances, ect. Its a slap in the face to not only the pilots but also our union. I thought they had some expensive engine maintenance coming due???? Or mabe some one found the pot of gold.
Well, I wouldn't exactly call it a windfall, but it's true. However, in the case of the iPad, I think it's being done because it actually makes financial sense as the company saves money. New hires are offered a one time payment of $500 toward an iPad as they will no longer receive paper Jepp charts. The cost savings that arises from no longer having to provide the pilot with a Jepp subscription saves far more than $500 over time. I was told that all pilots are to receive that same offer. Is that not true? While the $500 is nice to get, the price of a late generation iPad, warranty/breakage plan, and Gecko mount comes to right around $1000, forcing the newb to come out of his own pocket with the same amount.

It's my understanding that the food allowance is being given to them because they weren't able to get housed in a hotel with a kitchenette and so they're having to pay more for meals. Not saying any of it is right or wrong though because of the way things are for everyone in general. It's too bad it's come to this ... where rather than being happy to see someone getting a break we just get p!$$3d and jealous instead. It reminds me of when I was in the military.
Old 02-24-2016 | 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Whatmeworry
Are the Mesa fight attendants really that bad???
Not sure I want to answer that one. But, are they at least tax-deductible?
Old 02-24-2016 | 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Out Of Trim
Well, I wouldn't exactly call it a windfall, but it's true. However, in the case of the iPad, I think it's being done because it actually makes financial sense as the company saves money. New hires are offered a one time payment of $500 toward an iPad as they will no longer receive paper Jepp charts. The cost savings that arises from no longer having to provide the pilot with a Jepp subscription saves far more than $500 over time. I was told that all pilots are to receive that same offer. Is that not true? While the $500 is nice to get, the price of a late generation iPad, warranty/breakage plan, and Gecko mount comes to right around $1000, forcing the newb to come out of his own pocket with the same amount.

It's my understanding that the food allowance is being given to them because they weren't able to get housed in a hotel with a kitchenette and so they're having to pay more for meals. Not saying any of it is right or wrong though because of the way things are for everyone in general. It's too bad it's come to this ... where rather than being happy to see someone getting a break we just get p!$$3d and jealous instead. It reminds me of when I was in the military.
Nothing about jealousy its about principal. Being told one thing and then seeing something completely different both by ALPA and the Company. It would be improving QOL and putting more money in our pockets if they gave us all an allowance for I pads every 2-3 years. Or hotel rooms we could cook our own meal. I would love to get reimbursed for the thousands I have spent on crash pads. But its not in the contract and only a select few are getting these perks. Its the fact that one day they need our help to save the company and the next its christmas for new hires.
Old 02-25-2016 | 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by milehighskyline
I would also like to add that somehow the company is getting away with giving away gifts.... I have only heard one small statement from the union on this and that was over a month ago. Can anyone give us an update on what is going on with insulting slap in the face?
The MEC meeting is coming very soon. I'm sure it will be discussed there and perhaps more info will come from that.
Old 02-25-2016 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by milehighskyline
Company paid iPads, paid extra food allowances, now advertising crash pad allowances, ect. Its a slap in the face to not only the pilots but also our union. I thought they had some expensive engine maintenance coming due???? Or mabe some one found the pot of gold.

That money they saved not giving us a $1 raise and maintaining base pay is being handed out to new hires. Make sure you tell them "your welcome" when they show up after IOE.
Old 02-25-2016 | 10:05 AM
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Are the Mesa fight attendants really that bad???
A lot better than when I was at American Eagle/Envoy.
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