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Old 08-26-2015 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ScottyDo
Not trying to sound like a dicckk but I really don't have much sympathy for the senior pilots. They made a career out of the regionals, I mean what did they expect? To be paid like mainline or something?
No not mainline....just decent. And yes you do.
Old 08-26-2015 | 04:18 PM
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Every airline in history started by paying peanuts....and then a lot of time and effort went in to making it a decent paying career. Learn the history.
I know the history. You're a mesa captain, wow...you must have a decent paying career!
Old 08-26-2015 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by logic1
Every airline in history started by paying peanuts....and then a lot of time and effort went in to making it a decent paying career. Learn the history.



If that's the case why you have not seen a pay raise at MAG since April 03

Or you stuck getting the peanuts !!!!
Old 08-26-2015 | 06:58 PM
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Sorry to say, but why should anyone at Mesa give a crap about the new guys pay? Every single new hire is getting paid what they are worth, set fourth by their decision to come here and knowingly work for that pay. Our new hire classes are always full, the quick upgrade is dead, and our benefits are horrible.
Why should the pilot group, with any amount of seniority care? Let the market dictate what a new hire is worth, let supply and demand dictate to J.O. what a new hire is worth. Any of us with any seniority shouldn't care.
Old 08-26-2015 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by logic1
Maybe there is something somewhere else in this deal for the MEC��.
Well, the last two MEC chairs are now in management positions, so I think you might have a point here.

Can't blame them--if I lived in Phoenix I'd def be gunning to be on the MEC and/or signing off on TAs like this and buddying up with management myself.

There's a very long history of MEC chiefs securing management positions after winning concessionary contracts for the company. Go talk to a FedEx pilot about Frank Fato and the parking lot deal if you want an epic example from history.
Old 08-26-2015 | 08:20 PM
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The roadshow presentation was clearly well rehearsed and had a clear message. Mesa has no money and we need to take the deal now in order to get what we can. Unfortunately, the issues in the contract are too big for even the MEC to get around. Pay will be by far the lowest in the industry, and especially for FOs it is downright embarrassing. There are too many company discretion and "when staffing permits" in the contract. Also, 5 years in this environment is way too long. Still a NO vote from me. It is time Mesa isn't the butt of every joke in the industry anymore.
Old 08-26-2015 | 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by cleareddirect13
The roadshow presentation was clearly well rehearsed and had a clear message. Mesa has no money and we need to take the deal now in order to get what we can. Unfortunately, the issues in the contract are too big for even the MEC to get around. Pay will be by far the lowest in the industry, and especially for FOs it is downright embarrassing. There are too many company discretion and "when staffing permits" in the contract. Also, 5 years in this environment is way too long. Still a NO vote from me. It is time Mesa isn't the butt of every joke in the industry anymore.
The financial presentation was sobering, and some things were good to be clarified. But the rest of it is still an insult and the presenters were not effective in changing my NO vote.

My other takeaway is that A.H. is a dick.
Old 08-26-2015 | 08:27 PM
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My other takeaway is that A.H. is a dick.
Belittling roadshow attendees and openly mocking them to the presenters is not a good or impressive display by MEC leadership.
Old 08-26-2015 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by cleareddirect13
Billeting roadshow attendees and openly mocking them to the presenters is not a good or impressive display by MEC leadership.
Care to expand on that?
Old 08-26-2015 | 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
Care to expand on that?
He wasn't able to have a intellectual conversation with anyone who had any criticism of the TA without jumping down someones throat. It seemed as though he was taking criticisms of the TA personally. It wasn't very professional.
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