Mesa 3.0
06-24-2017, 01:02 PM
#4521
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Joined APC: Mar 2016
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Originally Posted by Greenbrook22
A no vote will kill the company growth. Force the return of the 30 plus 175s cause a furlough 300 ish Pilots all by Christmas. Vote yes and leave Mesa.
Truth is, a no vote will send this back to mediation. It's up to the company to determine what the next course of action is. I can assure you, there are additional steps that the company can take before we forfeit on our contracts.
This is simply an offer. We can turn it down and rework the deal. No one os losing their job if we say no.
06-24-2017, 01:04 PM
#4522
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Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: e145 fo
Posts: 250
Originally Posted by whyvee
If by "every" you mean every non-wholly owned that isn't Republic or SkyWest, then yes, you're correct. All of the wholly-owned carriers are a cost to their owners. They don't have to make money, so you can't compare them to Mesa. Republic forced American and United to increase their FFD rates by declaring bankruptcy, which Mesa can't do. SkyWest is a large public company with huge economies of scale that Mesa can't match.
If your goal is to put Mesa out of business, cool. That's not my thing but to each his own. I'm more about remaining employed and providing for my family while looking for a better job. For all the talk about wanting better pay, people here are sure reckless with their main source of income.
Just go to a union event. Ask real, non-loaded, reasonable questions. If you're looking for insight from the tinfoil hats who post on this page you're doing it wrong. Think of all the crazies and young, dumb FOs (and captains) this company employs who probably post here. Not saying the union is The Answer, but opinions here are so far off it's scary.
If your goal is to put Mesa out of business, cool. That's not my thing but to each his own. I'm more about remaining employed and providing for my family while looking for a better job. For all the talk about wanting better pay, people here are sure reckless with their main source of income.
Just go to a union event. Ask real, non-loaded, reasonable questions. If you're looking for insight from the tinfoil hats who post on this page you're doing it wrong. Think of all the crazies and young, dumb FOs (and captains) this company employs who probably post here. Not saying the union is The Answer, but opinions here are so far off it's scary.
I guess what I don't see with this contract is how it will save mesa. A garbage contract in this pilot market won't help recruiting or retention much at all. Sometimes you have to save management from themselves. Voting down our 2014 ta ended up turning rah around for the better. Voting this down and hopefully getting a better offer is the only chance mesa has.
06-25-2017, 04:44 AM
#4523
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Posts: 304
Originally Posted by whyvee
If your goal is to put Mesa out of business, cool. That's not my thing but to each his own. I'm more about remaining employed and providing for my family while looking for a better job.
My goal is to bring Mesa up to industry standard. My goal is to be compensated adequately for the time and financial commitment that it took to become a 121 pilot. My goal is to stop dragging the industry down.
Originally Posted by Bonanzer
I guess what I don't see with this contract is how it will save mesa. A garbage contract in this pilot market won't help recruiting or retention much at all. Sometimes you have to save management from themselves. Voting down our 2014 ta ended up turning rah around for the better. Voting this down, and hopefully getting a better offer is the only chance mesa has.
06-25-2017, 06:19 AM
#4524
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 21
Originally Posted by Sumtinwong
Scare tactics at it's finest...
Truth is, a no vote will send this back to mediation. It's up to the company to determine what the next course of action is. I can assure you, there are additional steps that the company can take before we forfeit on our contracts.
This is simply an offer. We can turn it down and rework the deal. No one os losing their job if we say no.
Truth is, a no vote will send this back to mediation. It's up to the company to determine what the next course of action is. I can assure you, there are additional steps that the company can take before we forfeit on our contracts.
This is simply an offer. We can turn it down and rework the deal. No one os losing their job if we say no.
06-25-2017, 06:26 AM
#4525
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 21
It's not a scare tactic, the United contract has a performance section that removes the 175 based on mesa staffing their flying. Time is up in December if this contract not voted. There will be down grades and furloughs. This is not the time to try for your ideals that should have been done 6 months ago when this was made. Vote yes and LEAVE !
06-25-2017, 06:41 AM
#4526
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Joined APC: Mar 2016
Posts: 145
Originally Posted by Greenbrook22
It's not a scare tactic, the United contract has a performance section that removes the 175 based on mesa staffing their flying. Time is up in December if this contract not voted. There will be down grades and furloughs. This is not the time to try for your ideals that should have been done 6 months ago when this was made. Vote yes and LEAVE !
As for performance. Unless you are in management, you have no idea what our contract says, where we stand, or what our condition is. Again, your point is invalid.
If you want this place to be around you should vote NO for this contract so we can negotiate one that not only retains but attracts talent.
06-25-2017, 06:57 AM
#4527
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Posts: 304
Originally Posted by Sumtinwong
How does a crappy contract dig us out of thia hole? It doesn't, that's the answer. If management wants to attempt to staff they can do so with new hire and retention bonuses. This TA is not attractive, thus does not attract talent. Your point is invalid.
As for performance. Unless you are in management, you have no idea what our contract says, where we stand, or what our condition is. Again, your point is invalid.
If you want this place to be around you should vote NO for this contract so we can negotiate one that not only retains but attracts talent.
As for performance. Unless you are in management, you have no idea what our contract says, where we stand, or what our condition is. Again, your point is invalid.
If you want this place to be around you should vote NO for this contract so we can negotiate one that not only retains but attracts talent.
Agreed.
06-25-2017, 07:54 AM
#4529
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Originally Posted by Greenbrook22
It's not a scare tactic, the United contract has a performance section that removes the 175 based on mesa staffing their flying. Time is up in December if this contract not voted. There will be down grades and furloughs. This is not the time to try for your ideals that should have been done 6 months ago when this was made. Vote yes and LEAVE !
It's not a scare tactic, the United contract has a performance section that removes the 175 based on mesa staffing their flying. Time is up in December if this contract not voted. There will be down grades and furloughs. This is not the time to try for your ideals that should have been done 6 months ago when this was made. Vote yes and LEAVE !
06-25-2017, 08:55 AM
#4530
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Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 304
Originally Posted by Sumtinwong
I don't get this logic of "vote yes and leave." We need pilots to stay here for goodness sake.
"Yes. This.
Agreed."
Was agreeing to:
Originally Posted by Sumtinwong
If you want this place to be around you should vote NO for this contract so we can negotiate one that not only retains but attracts talent.
Originally Posted by Sumtinwong
"vote yes and leave."
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