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Old 07-05-2017 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by tinman1
Honestly I'm not sure what they did. My final check was direct deposited but by that time I was deactivated in ADP so I've never seen my final pay stub. I want to say it was about $1k from what I could figure.
that's not a court ordered garnishment. not sure why they withheld money from you. by law your check is your money. sounds like another thing is going on here.
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Old 07-05-2017 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by stbloc
that's not a court ordered garnishment. not sure why they withheld money from you. by law your check is your money. sounds like another thing is going on here.
When you sign the training contract you agree they can take the money from your paycheck. It's one of the clauses in the contract.
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Old 07-05-2017 | 07:37 PM
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Call in sick, lose $1000. That's an awfully large amount of money to pass up on those days when you're feeling a little too tired, fatigued, not quite right, etc. Might as well just fly sick and cash in, right Mesa?

Also, if you do have an absence, doesn't your continued attendance for the rest of the month contribute to the base's overall percentage? Then why do you lose both bonuses?
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Old 07-06-2017 | 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by whyvee
Call in sick, lose $1000. That's an awfully large amount of money to pass up on those days when you're feeling a little too tired, fatigued, not quite right, etc. Might as well just fly sick and cash in, right Mesa?

Also, if you do have an absence, doesn't your continued attendance for the rest of the month contribute to the base's overall percentage? Then why do you lose both bonuses?
I am shocked about fatigue. I wonder if the FAA knows that Mesa penalizes a crewmember who is fatigued. A lot of things can contribute to fatigue, such as an emergency experienced earlier in the day. The thought that a significant amount of income is penalized is unconsciousable. It goes to the management mindset that pilots use fatigue as an excuse, rather than using fatigue as a method to keep the safety of the passengers as their highest priority.
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Old 07-06-2017 | 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by calmwinds
I am shocked about fatigue. I wonder if the FAA knows that Mesa penalizes a crewmember who is fatigued. A lot of things can contribute to fatigue, such as an emergency experienced earlier in the day. The thought that a significant amount of income is penalized is unconsciousable. It goes to the management mindset that pilots use fatigue as an excuse, rather than using fatigue as a method to keep the safety of the passengers as their highest priority.
Fatigue definitely needs to be removed it's a legitimate safety issue.
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Old 07-06-2017 | 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Xdashdriver
When you sign the training contract you agree they can take the money from your paycheck. It's one of the clauses in the contract.
I don't remember that but it's probable. It's not a secret document, I asked for a copy and my whole upgrade class got one to take home.
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Old 07-06-2017 | 06:15 AM
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The pay rates aren't that bad if you consider the removal of soft pay/base pay. Other than that the TA is not really what I wanted. We could have improvements in; insurance, medical reimbursement, better defined hotel language, commuter hotels, 12 days off guaranteed, duty rigs, at least 75% DH, 1.90 per diem, international override pay, and I could go on and on.
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Old 07-06-2017 | 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by whyvee
Call in sick, lose $1000. That's an awfully large amount of money to pass up on those days when you're feeling a little too tired, fatigued, not quite right, etc. Might as well just fly sick and cash in, right Mesa?
100% agree. The FAA would of course say its hands are tied and that you should just do the safe thing if you're not up to flying. And you know, if you are sick or fatigued or preoccupied (death of someone close, sick kid, etc.) don't play their games. If you're unfit you're unfit.

It's also interesting how much of an outlier the Phoenix attendance is. Less commuters and more company men?
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Old 07-06-2017 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by deltajuliet
It's also interesting how much of an outlier the Phoenix attendance is. Less commuters and more company men?
I know of a PHX CA who flew sick, finished the trip, and was admitted to a hospital that day because he had been flying with pneumonia. Phoenix has a lot of die hard "Mesa to the death" company men.
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Old 07-06-2017 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by WisJudge
OK, I'll play.
So every debt incurred must always be paid in full?
If not, one lacks integrity?
If a person enters into an agreement with someone and has no intent to live up to the contract then that is a lack of integrity.
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