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Old 10-21-2013 | 11:38 AM
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For the multi VT 31/35 bubbas down in Corpus...anyone have any insight if there is a big difference for a company like FedEx? Using my mediocre reading comprehension skills...the 1500/1000 cutoff mention 12,500 GTOW to qualify means all VT-31 guys flying the T-44 are out of luck? Obvioiusly the C-12 from 35 is good to go.

I would find it extremely odd/sad if the majority of Navy multi-engine IP's wouldn't qualify unless they made it over to the smaller VT-35 or stayed in their respective RAG.

Anyone in 31/35 know if this is true or not?
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Old 10-21-2013 | 03:54 PM
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I think there is a Mil exception to the rule. There are plenty of long dart and T-6 guys getting hired.
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Old 10-21-2013 | 04:03 PM
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For what it's worth, I searched the archives and found this in an older thread:

The 12.5K GW requirement applies for any aircraft type which has at least one model in the aircraft line above 12.5K GW. For example, flight hours in a King Air 90 which has a GW of 9K would count because the King Air also has versions (King Air 200 and above) that have max GW above 12.5K.

That would specifically apply to the T-44...however, if you look at the application for FedEx, selecting T-44s in the drop-down menu will automatically save your time under the option of less than 12,500k.

So I guess the million dollar question is where it truly falls under. Old gouge or "glitch" in the new system/rules? Or the cynical option...no soup for you.
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Old 10-21-2013 | 04:20 PM
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I'll see if I can get an answer to this internally.
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Old 10-21-2013 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Cookenbauer
For what it's worth, I searched the archives and found this in an older thread:

The 12.5K GW requirement applies for any aircraft type which has at least one model in the aircraft line above 12.5K GW. For example, flight hours in a King Air 90 which has a GW of 9K would count because the King Air also has versions (King Air 200 and above) that have max GW above 12.5K.

That would specifically apply to the T-44...however, if you look at the application for FedEx, selecting T-44s in the drop-down menu will automatically save your time under the option of less than 12,500k.

So I guess the million dollar question is where it truly falls under. Old gouge or "glitch" in the new system/rules? Or the cynical option...no soup for you.
It may be like the logging of PIC time that is discussed so often on the forum.
The FAA allows sole manipulator to be logged, yet certain airline only recognize the time that you actually *signed* for the aircraft.

I don't know which thread you got the information you posted from and the context, but maybe FedEx just doesn't recognize the same category similarities on their application.

Good luck though.
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Old 10-21-2013 | 05:47 PM
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I know plenty of T44 IPs that got hired at FedEx in the last 8 years. Plenty.
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Old 10-22-2013 | 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Cookenbauer
For the multi VT 31/35 bubbas down in Corpus...anyone have any insight if there is a big difference for a company like FedEx? Using my mediocre reading comprehension skills...the 1500/1000 cutoff mention 12,500 GTOW to qualify means all VT-31 guys flying the T-44 are out of luck? Obvioiusly the C-12 from 35 is good to go.

I would find it extremely odd/sad if the majority of Navy multi-engine IP's wouldn't qualify unless they made it over to the smaller VT-35 or stayed in their respective RAG.

Anyone in 31/35 know if this is true or not?
Cookenbauer - don't sweat the small details. Apply with your appropriate credentials and I am sure things will work out for you. As has been said many times, apply everywhere and take the first class date available when offered to you!

I would imagine a company such as FedEx understands that an IP coming from VT-31 has the same skill set as an IP coming from VT-35, whether you are a wise owl or a stingray, YOU will be a great asset to your future employer, best of luck!

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Old 10-23-2013 | 01:38 PM
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Cookenbauer - don't sweat the small details. Apply with your appropriate credentials and I am sure things will work out for you. As has been said many times, apply everywhere and take the first class date available when offered to you!

I would imagine a company such as FedEx understands that an IP coming from VT-31 has the same skill set as an IP coming from VT-35, whether you are a wise owl or a stingray, YOU will be a great asset to your future employer, best of luck!

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I appreciate the positive response

It actually doesn't directly apply to me...I'm not at the VT's...but I have a sibling who will be in the next year and it's up in the air which squadron he may be going to.

Like others have mentioned..there have been plenty of T-44 guys hired in the past, but I believe this is a new change. I think there has always been some kind of 12,500 number that applied, however FedEx used to recognize it as a different category (the whole Civvie 12.5-40k OTHER category) and it didn't really apply to military fixed wing.

But now, the minimums are clearly stated on the website...and often enough, you need the mins to qualify...especially if you NEED to count those hours to make the cutoff. In my opinion, there is a huge difference between already having what you need and supplementing with valuable instructor time that may or may not count. Since everything is computed by a magical gee whiz computer...I'm just fearing that your application could potentiall get lost in the shuffle because it never pops up in the first place.

The dropdown menu in the profile has both versions of the T-44A and C. And they both get listed as UNDER 12,500. To me...that does not seem like a trivial detail...unless you assume that military exemption applies and therefore the website is all about generalities. And no one knows right now.

Same goes for the T-38 for the Air Force guys. It also lists the time as Under 12,500. Once again, as far as I know..this is completely new on the website profile page.

Why emphasize over 12,500 to qualify 1500/1000 if it doesn't matter?

In the end, you are probably right. But guaranteed answers on the issue are much more comforting
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Old 10-24-2013 | 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Cookenbauer
I appreciate the positive response

It actually doesn't directly apply to me...I'm not at the VT's...but I have a sibling who will be in the next year and it's up in the air which squadron he may be going to.

Like others have mentioned..there have been plenty of T-44 guys hired in the past, but I believe this is a new change. I think there has always been some kind of 12,500 number that applied, however FedEx used to recognize it as a different category (the whole Civvie 12.5-40k OTHER category) and it didn't really apply to military fixed wing.

But now, the minimums are clearly stated on the website...and often enough, you need the mins to qualify...especially if you NEED to count those hours to make the cutoff. In my opinion, there is a huge difference between already having what you need and supplementing with valuable instructor time that may or may not count. Since everything is computed by a magical gee whiz computer...I'm just fearing that your application could potentiall get lost in the shuffle because it never pops up in the first place.

The dropdown menu in the profile has both versions of the T-44A and C. And they both get listed as UNDER 12,500. To me...that does not seem like a trivial detail...unless you assume that military exemption applies and therefore the website is all about generalities. And no one knows right now.

Same goes for the T-38 for the Air Force guys. It also lists the time as Under 12,500. Once again, as far as I know..this is completely new on the website profile page.

Why emphasize over 12,500 to qualify 1500/1000 if it doesn't matter?

In the end, you are probably right. But guaranteed answers on the issue are much more comforting
The info on the website isn't that new. It has been like that since the hiring window was opened 2 years ago...then closed. Since that time we've had several T-44 bubbas get hired.

It doesn't matter what squadron your "sibling" goes to.
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Old 10-24-2013 | 07:20 PM
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I loved my time at 35. Great squadron and mission. Only downside was it was in Corpus. Ohh, and it won't matter of C-12 or 44.
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