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Old 12-20-2018 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
Reducing head count was the ENTIRE focus of the 2015 CBA. We are since down about 200 pilots while operating a handful more aircraft. So, obviously, it worked.

Reducing headcount further is the ENTIRE focus of this IBI. More pilots will migrate to the 72 and 76 CC schedules and frequently with the long tour option in order to maximize Pharaoh's Riddle. The minute a pilot hits the magic number, a goodly number will then extend, further reducing hiring demand.

At a guess, we'll be down another 100 pilots two years from now.

The company ain't totally stupid.
The company isn’t totally stupid. They can’t scale properly, history has shown us that. So how do you increase profits when you can’t scale? Reduce pilot salaries and head counts while increasing productivity.

I would say management is smarter than the MEC any day of the week. Interesting how lots of the pilot group is completely oblivious.

Pilot numbers are actually down about 400 from 2015.
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Old 12-20-2018 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Rcordeiro122592
How long does it take to hold the 52 day schedule?
I couldn't hold it even as a 10th-year Excel FO.
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Old 12-20-2018 | 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by tm602
Yes months and months. NOT as an NQC but stuck on the Tng 18 day once qualified even after IOE. You are worth more to them 18-20 days a month than 14-16. I think that you misunderstood what I said.
You do know there is a difference between the 18 day training schedule and the CC72? I don’t know your exact circumstances, but I have worked with a lot of new hires and every one has been given a 7/7 line upon completion of IOE.
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Old 12-20-2018 | 03:46 PM
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The joint working group lead to a LOA that places you on a 7/7 line after IOE. I have been told that the wording is such that the company could reverse this, but they have been honoring this. Everyone I know has gotten a 7/7 line after IOE if they wanted one. In my case, due to my seniority I assume, I was offered any line I wanted that was available for my fleet. This worked out as I didn't have to change lines in October when the flush bid goes into effect. Had I not gotten my number one line I would have had to change lines and the seams for this stink. However, this only happens once a year as the other bids are closed bids and only available lines from crewmembers changing achedules are available.

On another note with close bids, in fleets like the Lattitude that are growing, due to the increase in aircraft on a close bid, the company has to open more CC52 lines.

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Old 12-20-2018 | 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
Reducing head count was the ENTIRE focus of the 2015 CBA. We are since down about 200 pilots while operating a handful more aircraft. So, obviously, it worked.

Reducing headcount further is the ENTIRE focus of this IBI. More pilots will migrate to the 72 and 76 CC schedules and frequently with the long tour option in order to maximize Pharaoh's Riddle. The minute a pilot hits the magic number, a goodly number will then extend, further reducing hiring demand.

At a guess, we'll be down another 100 pilots two years from now.

The company ain't totally stupid.
Interesting because they want 30 a month and there getting 9-12 actually showing up! Attrition before year 4 is close to 32%. All numbers BJ gave us. Good news is a bunch ope old guys getting displaced to new equipment are waiting for the IBI bonus before retiring, no fun learning a new airplane at 60+.
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Old 12-21-2018 | 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Bonanzer
Has the union given guidance on what they are going after? I would hope they are going for spirit or better pay and 401k. Although I think that is a lofty goal. Just a curious outsider.
That's quite a change. NJASAP was pushing for AA 777 pay as recent as 2015.
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Old 12-21-2018 | 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Macjet
That's quite a change. NJASAP was pushing for AA 777 pay as recent as 2015.
They got the reality check they needed.
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Old 12-22-2018 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by MWilliams
You do know there is a difference between the 18 day training schedule and the CC72? I don’t know your exact circumstances, but I have worked with a lot of new hires and every one has been given a 7/7 line upon completion of IOE.
Yes you are right. I did transition to the CC72 after IOE (I was around 7 weeks to get IOE started) but even at that, its the same crap. The OP was asking about the 7/7 and for the purpose of the material answer to his question, the CC72 and Trg 18 can be viewed as synonymous.
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Old 12-23-2018 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MWilliams
You do know there is a difference between the 18 day training schedule and the CC72? I don’t know your exact circumstances, but I have worked with a lot of new hires and every one has been given a 7/7 line upon completion of IOE.
Everyone of us in my group who asked for 7/7 got it, including me. Some Latitude types are still waiting to start IOE after 8 weeks, my class only. I was lucky as well, paired with a TR Captain who was 7/7 during my IOE, so all I’ve known.
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Old 12-23-2018 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by bunk22
Everyone of us in my group who asked for 7/7 got it, including me. Some Latitude types are still waiting to start IOE after 8 weeks, my class only. I was lucky as well, paired with a TR Captain who was 7/7 during my IOE, so all I’ve known.
Besides the latitude, what is everyone else getting? Phenom?
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