jtf560

When FDP came around, most flew much more. I would say that as many get more angry, there have probably already been some going back to the old ways and there will likely be more and more as the contract situation continues longer and longer. You might not have seen it yet, but I'm pretty sure the company has.

Swedepilut

Well the company has a ton of data. If certain pilots decide to go back to their old ways of grounding everything over paint chips I bet they will find their way to Columbus pretty quick. The company has all the data it can ever have and will clearly be able to show the pilot and whatever union steward has to defend him exactly where he decided to change his habits.

They aren’t stupid anymore.

But pilots continue to do the same stupid tricks thinking nobody will notice.

They do.

jtf560

If the pilots that look real hard find real broken things with real proof they are broken, the company can want whatever they want, but they will just have to either take hostages that will cause other problems or they will have to cope with it. Metrics or no metrics, broke is broke. My best guess is that the broken airplanes that used to magically only be found broken at mx hubs or after the last flight are going to be found broken in much less convenient locations and times. That isn't necessarily more mx write ups to check against the metrics. That is my observation of what happens when pilots are no longer happy and come to the conclusion that less FDP now may lead to more money later.

Swedepilut

If a pilot has let’s say 30 writeups a month prior to FDP…… and then he goes to say 3 when FDP came out….. but then he gets mad and then goes back to 30 writeups a month, the company has all that data. They will be easily able to prove it and show the pilot their pattern.

The first question they would ask is why did your writeups drop to 3 a month during this time, but just recently it’s back up to 30 writeups a month……

That pilot better have a really good explanation ready.

hawkerpilot05

The company has tried that in the past in 2015. When they had multiple AIR 21 lawsuits, they settled with prejudice and paid a pretty penny. AiR 21 and maintenance go hand and hand as the airlines have found out. It is very easy to justify write ups as the the part shortage continues and now mx labor is affecting maintenance. If you do a search of AIR 21 lawsuits and NetJets, they have settled the ones they know they will lose and look bad. I am not sweating the maintenance write ups. Just keep documentation. Heck, they even removed mobile manager as we have a lot of pilots that document what they see. It is out there the mess this industry is in with parts and labor.

Swedepilut

This is not the same company as 2015 and definitely not the same management team. They have their shizzle together and have the data and pockets to prove it.

Again those same pilots that grounded plane after plane after plane (I saw one guy try and ground 6 planes in one day) and then all of a sudden you’re not grounding planes at the same rate…… how do you even start to explain that.

Mobile manager being removed has nothing to do with pilots and Mx. That is a whole different issue. But it makes a good soundbite for the union.

jtf560

No need to explain anything other than the write ups you are sending in. More or less may look suspicious, but if they are legit, they are legit. The company does pay attention to every little thing, but that isn't a reason to break the FARs by not documenting legit broken items, even if a pikot may have been turning a blind eye while they were fat, dumb, and happy. They can give you a carpet dance any time they want, but if all of your new mx write ups are legit and well documented (think lots of pictures), they will have a really hard time making anything stick. It doesn't mean they won't try and it doesn't mean they won't get you for something else that they wouldn't have bothered with had you not been a PITA, but regardless of what you think and believe, there are more and more frustrated pilots every day that are already starting to let less slide than before.

Peabody17

Swede, you’re missing the flip side. What if the FAA starts asking DW (et al) the critical questions, like “we see you’re questioning pilots now that they’re writing up xxx airplanes a day. Why weren’t you concerned when it was only yyy planes a day if they’re all legit discrepancies?”

Swedepilut

You don’t think the FAA has asked the tough questions already? With as much as the union has been sending out messages about Mx and crying about it and the pilots responsibilities you don’t think the FAA already knows?

The FAA has sat in on countless recurrent, check rides, company recurrent, company new captain, and sim checks…… don’t you think they would have already gone to the company if there was an issue?

The reality is the FAA has no problems with the way the company is handling everything. I would bet that they are even happier with the way everything is being streamlined and put into writing. The company is maturing and the FAA I bet is pretty happy with what they see.

So no I don’t think the flip side means anything because again the company has covered their bases. This is a very different company from 2015 and some people just can’t figure that out.

Swedepilut

When was the last time you wrote up a QS airplane?