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Old 03-03-2024, 05:48 AM
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I am curious as I can't find answers on the below:

1) What's consider small cabin vs class 5?
2) Expense option 2 and 3, does that means Per Diem AND crew meal/allowance. $4.01 + Meals/or $130 Reimbursement per day for CONUS? Or is it one or the other. I'm juse used to Per diem
3) Pay table shows YOS calculation and how to read it- Do you just go down the year effective date and how many years you've been with the company to determine your pay for that year would be?
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Old 03-03-2024, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by AsianPilot
I am curious as I can't find answers on the below:

1) What's consider small cabin vs class 5?
2) Expense option 2 and 3, does that means Per Diem AND crew meal/allowance. $4.01 + Meals/or $130 Reimbursement per day for CONUS? Or is it one or the other. I'm juse used to Per diem
3) Pay table shows YOS calculation and how to read it- Do you just go down the year effective date and how many years you've been with the company to determine your pay for that year would be?
1) Class 5 = Global 7500/8000
Large Cabin = 650, Global 5000/5500/6000/6500
Small Cabin = Everything else

2) Option 2 appears to be per diem only and no crew meals. Option 3 is receipts (charge to company card) with the option to also order crew meals.

3) Correct. You have to look at the effective date column that will be in effect for the YOS you are looking at. For example - if on DOR you are in year 4 you'd look at the 5/1/24 column, YOS 4 row. For next year you'd look at the 5/1/25 column, YOS 5 row.
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Old 03-10-2024, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by hdgbug
1) Class 5 = Global 7500/8000
Large Cabin = 650, Global 5000/5500/6000/6500
Small Cabin = Everything else

2) Option 2 appears to be per diem only and no crew meals. Option 3 is receipts (charge to company card) with the option to also order crew meals.

3) Correct. You have to look at the effective date column that will be in effect for the YOS you are looking at. For example - if on DOR you are in year 4 you'd look at the 5/1/24 column, YOS 4 row. For next year you'd look at the 5/1/25 column, YOS 5 row.
How long does it take to hold CA in Class 5 at NJA?
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Old 03-10-2024, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
How long does it take to hold CA in Class 5 at NJA?
The most junior PIC that held the 7500 through an open bid so far (NOT a supplemental duty pilot) is a November 1996 hire.
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Old 03-10-2024, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
The most junior PIC that held the 7500 through an open bid so far (NOT a supplemental duty pilot) is a November 1996 hire.
So it would be more relevant to compare that rate to WB CA rates.
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Old 03-10-2024, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
So it would be more relevant to compare that rate to WB CA rates.
I have a close friend that is a 1996 NWA/Delta hire. He just finished A-350 school after almost 10 years on the 757/767. He'll make $500,000 this year without even trying hard. 🤷🏼‍♂️
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Old 03-11-2024, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
I have a close friend that is a 1996 NWA/Delta hire. He just finished A-350 school after almost 10 years on the 757/767. He'll make $500,000 this year without even trying hard. 🤷🏼‍♂️
stating that the proposed compensation will be within 4.6% of 121 pay in 2029 makes the unreasonable assumption that 121 properties will not have their own pay raise by then.
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Old 03-11-2024, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MinRest
You have the NJA pilot group pretty nailed. There is no leverage and there is no legal requirement to provide a CBA so if the pilots vote no, it doesn't send any message that moves the needle for management.
The only leverage they have is getting their house in order and walking off the job as a group. NetJets caters to the very wealthy few, not the populace. It might make it to the 5 o’clock news but not the Presidents desk.

You’re right though they basically have no leverage. I can’t figure out why anyone would want to work at this slave shop anyways. What a dump.

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Old 03-12-2024, 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy
stating that the proposed compensation will be within 4.6% of 121 pay in 2029 makes the unreasonable assumption that 121 properties will not have their own pay raise by then.
While I doubt the difference will only be 4.6% by 2029, I dont believe it will be due to a new round of 121 contracts. It took 121 about 4 years on average after their last round of contracts became ammendable to get what they have now. I don't know how they will be any faster the next time. I hope 121 gets new contracts much quicker since it raises the bar everywhere, but I don't know why anyone would believe it likely.
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Old 03-12-2024, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN
The only leverage they have is getting their house in order and walking off the job as a group. NetJets caters to the very wealthy few, not the populace. It might make it to the 5 o’clock news but not the Presidents desk.

You’re right though they basically have no leverage. I can’t figure out why anyone would want to work at this slave shop anyways. What a dump.
No leverage equals no offer from the company. Not enough leverage for 121 parity. Still enough leverage after only a little over a year with no contract due to add somewhere between 200 and 300 million a year to the pilot groups pay. I'm not arguing against the fact that it is a lot of work for not enough money, but there was leverage.
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