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03-16-2017, 02:40 AM
#1931
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Originally Posted by Jetlife
Somebody that has MB access that can post the stats from the last management briefing, but they aren't great. The resume stack of resumes on file has dwindled in 2 years.
I just spoke with someone in that briefing yesterday.
To say your summary is unnecessarily negative is an understatement.
Order coming(s) soon.
This order will push NJA well past its current size but it will take a few years. The current order is to reshuffle and replace all current fleet numbers while reducing to 7 types from 20. NetJets will hire for that growth when needed. If NJA is concentrating on maximizing sales of and modernizing the current fleet, why would it hire more pilots so they can sit around? But that's a tough business decision Jetlife.
And we aren't talking Phenoms either. The stuff coming will be exciting.
The training center will be equipped and staffed by that point, the deliveries will be on schedule and you'll be enjoying your red eyes. Still.
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03-16-2017, 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by FLYLOW22
I just spoke with someone in that briefing yesterday.
To say your summary is unnecessarily negative is an understatement.
Order coming(s) soon.
This order will push NJA well past its current size but it will take a few years. The current order is to reshuffle and replace all current fleet numbers while reducing to 7 types from 20. NetJets will hire for that growth when needed. If NJA is concentrating on maximizing sales of and modernizing the current fleet, why would it hire more pilots so they can sit around? But that's a tough business decision Jetlife.
And we aren't talking Phenoms either. The stuff coming will be exciting.
The training center will be equipped and staffed by that point, the deliveries will be on schedule and you'll be enjoying your red eyes. Still.
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To say your summary is unnecessarily negative is an understatement.
Order coming(s) soon.
This order will push NJA well past its current size but it will take a few years. The current order is to reshuffle and replace all current fleet numbers while reducing to 7 types from 20. NetJets will hire for that growth when needed. If NJA is concentrating on maximizing sales of and modernizing the current fleet, why would it hire more pilots so they can sit around? But that's a tough business decision Jetlife.
And we aren't talking Phenoms either. The stuff coming will be exciting.
The training center will be equipped and staffed by that point, the deliveries will be on schedule and you'll be enjoying your red eyes. Still.
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That literally has nothing to do with what he asked or my response to it.
Training center will be staffed? Wow you have lots of power if you can make that happen, because even CMH FSI employees are abused by NetJets and leave the first chance they get, how's Global training going, I know they had to defer training in there because everyone at FSI got their type and bailed.
To further answer the question I quoted in the first place (my statement was completely correct but FLYLOW22 just cannot let anyone say anything realistic about the company).The company had a stack of 6,000 resumes when I got hired, 2 years later (2017) they have 2500. The percentage of people that end up interviewing after being selected by HRis less than 50%, I think it was like 48%. If I remember it was something like 175 were given a call, 80 interviewed, 40 hired. Something like that. That doesn't show WHY, just the what. For a while, NJA had trouble filling classes after offering class dates. so that number dwindling down to 40 hired last year (which didn't cover attrition, not even close) is a combination of people refusing an interview, refusing a job, not being offered an interview, and not being offered a job, and no-showing after being offered a class date.
They lost around 12 this month with no replacements which seems about average. If that holds NJA will lose around 120 pilots, and gain 40. That is on par with last year as well. The net loss for pilots in 2016 was around 80.
As to why people aren't getting calls, nobody knows. There are dozens of guys who have LORs from multiple pilots on property who never got calls. No rhyme or reason to their hiring practices other than they are trying to predict who will leave and who won't, but even those who thought they would stay, or even have stayed longer because they intended on making NJA a career, have left. Even if you think you know that you will make NJA a career, you will have to get hired to see whether or not it is for you, and that is like any job. Unfortunately if you are pegged as somebody with career options and aspirations, they are looking down on your resume.
03-16-2017, 05:20 AM
#1933
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Originally Posted by Jetlife
That literally has nothing to do with what he asked or my response to it.
Training center will be staffed? Wow you have lots of power if you can make that happen, because even CMH FSI employees are abused by NetJets and leave the first chance they get, how's Global training going, I know they had to defer training in there because everyone at FSI got their type and bailed.
To further answer the question I quoted in the first place (my statement was completely correct but FLYLOW22 just cannot let anyone say anything realistic about the company).The company had a stack of 6,000 resumes when I got hired, 2 years later (2017) they have 2500. The percentage of people that end up interviewing after being selected by HRis less than 50%, I think it was like 48%. If I remember it was something like 175 were given a call, 80 interviewed, 40 hired. Something like that. That doesn't show WHY, just the what. For a while, NJA had trouble filling classes after offering class dates. so that number dwindling down to 40 hired last year (which didn't cover attrition, not even close) is a combination of people refusing an interview, refusing a job, not being offered an interview, and not being offered a job, and no-showing after being offered a class date.
They lost around 12 this month with no replacements which seems about average. If that holds NJA will lose around 120 pilots, and gain 40. That is on par with last year as well. The net loss for pilots in 2016 was around 80.
As to why people aren't getting calls, nobody knows. There are dozens of guys who have LORs from multiple pilots on property who never got calls. No rhyme or reason to their hiring practices other than they are trying to predict who will leave and who won't, but even those who thought they would stay, or even have stayed longer because they intended on making NJA a career, have left. Even if you think you know that you will make NJA a career, you will have to get hired to see whether or not it is for you, and that is like any job. Unfortunately if you are pegged as somebody with career options and aspirations, they are looking down on your resume.
Training center will be staffed? Wow you have lots of power if you can make that happen, because even CMH FSI employees are abused by NetJets and leave the first chance they get, how's Global training going, I know they had to defer training in there because everyone at FSI got their type and bailed.
To further answer the question I quoted in the first place (my statement was completely correct but FLYLOW22 just cannot let anyone say anything realistic about the company).The company had a stack of 6,000 resumes when I got hired, 2 years later (2017) they have 2500. The percentage of people that end up interviewing after being selected by HRis less than 50%, I think it was like 48%. If I remember it was something like 175 were given a call, 80 interviewed, 40 hired. Something like that. That doesn't show WHY, just the what. For a while, NJA had trouble filling classes after offering class dates. so that number dwindling down to 40 hired last year (which didn't cover attrition, not even close) is a combination of people refusing an interview, refusing a job, not being offered an interview, and not being offered a job, and no-showing after being offered a class date.
They lost around 12 this month with no replacements which seems about average. If that holds NJA will lose around 120 pilots, and gain 40. That is on par with last year as well. The net loss for pilots in 2016 was around 80.
As to why people aren't getting calls, nobody knows. There are dozens of guys who have LORs from multiple pilots on property who never got calls. No rhyme or reason to their hiring practices other than they are trying to predict who will leave and who won't, but even those who thought they would stay, or even have stayed longer because they intended on making NJA a career, have left. Even if you think you know that you will make NJA a career, you will have to get hired to see whether or not it is for you, and that is like any job. Unfortunately if you are pegged as somebody with career options and aspirations, they are looking down on your resume.
Jetlife,
I wish that affairs in the world were as simple as you see them.
The Global... Contingencies are now in place to allow for training to proceed with or without FSI instructors. Evolution. For a long time, NJA has been able to operate with a less expensive budget using FSI instructors. SDPs are but weeks away from being available if needed for training. The training program for that was designed, approved and is on shelf... waiting. All fleets are covered by this new ability.
The number of quality resumes on file are directly related to the application window being open and HR accepting those resumes. NJA has had zero issue collecting resumes to satisfy current staffing demands. With fleet rationalization from 20 to 7 fleets, that staffing need is temporarily reducing, hence staffing is required for attrition. Any issues I've seen with placing pilots in class have not been related to the quality or number of applicants but rather the process of hiring. The issue and people involved with creating these dynamics have been replaced and overhauled. I don't get the impression that 6000 resumes are required to hire 80 this year. You might... but that's why you're awesome. The resume stack can be replenished in a 2 week period if needed. Currently, the pilot hiring process is continuing to refine and prepare for increased numbers. There's nothing wrong with improvement in process. Have you ever worked in pilot recruitment Jetlife? I have. I actually have a source of experience to pull from here... vs. you.
Question of the hour... you've started employment at Virgin. Why continue to look in your rear view mirror? Why not get to those red eyes and focus on the road ahead for you?
NetJets was not a career choice for you. Something for everyone and you made your choice.
03-16-2017, 06:56 AM
#1934
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Originally Posted by FLYLOW22
Jetlife,
Question of the hour... you've started employment at Virgin. Why continue to look in your rear view mirror? Why not get to those red eyes and focus on the road ahead for you?
NetJets was not a career choice for you. Something for everyone and you made your choice.
Question of the hour... you've started employment at Virgin. Why continue to look in your rear view mirror? Why not get to those red eyes and focus on the road ahead for you?
NetJets was not a career choice for you. Something for everyone and you made your choice.
03-16-2017, 07:14 AM
#1935
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Originally Posted by Jetlife
Look within, why do you continually trash 121 and make condescending comments to everyone who either works 121 or wants to? I know you hate those pesky numbers, but again, they don't lie. I simply posted what somebody previously questioned. I know the truth hurts you but at some point you have to recognize it for what it is, the truth. You are either delusional or grooming yourself for upper management with the fluff you post here.
Actually,
It's you that's made quite the name for yourself. NJA has never had but a handful of FOs who were so easily vocal and never satisfied. You're the king of that bunch and most famous.
You've described pilots at NJA as "beaten by the industry" among other gems.
I don't begrudge anyone leaving for what they think will be greener pastures. There's always a ledge. There's always $100 barrel oil. Where you sit on the seniority list will determine what happens to you. Nothing else.
Leaving for UPS, Delta, even United... I can see the logic. You didn't leave for any of those options and you bad mouthed your way right out the door doing so to leave for... Virgin. It just seems like you jumped out the first door you got. It's curious.
You've decided to leave home basing and commute to JFK from the west coast for a 20k pay cut at a carrier that isn't even the primary carrier and who will he spun off in the next round of consolidation. A shield for Alaska to try and remain independent.
Be ready for it. A/M MPPs... so much fun. But you've got ALPA to insure fair integration.
Who can blame you for leaving NJA... you created nothing here. You weren't part of any contract negotiation. You volunteered zero time with Union committees and did nothing but the minimum to get by.
I'd say Virgin got another pilot looking to make left turns and gain 40 pounds. Great, if that's what they wanted.
Upgrade times... 2010. 7 years and counting. We'll be upgrading in 2 years or less.
Retirement... nope. You didn't go for that.
Pay... $52 an hour. Ouch.
Here's the NetJets FO pay.... let's see... you'll get 13 days off a month per APCs profile as a reserve pilot so that's the equivalent of the CC72 day... plus you get a transcon commute. There's 4-6 days minimum in a commute all chewed up.
Tell us again... how much better off are you now once you start flying?
I think you would have been pulling 84k a year on the NJA pay scale with no commute and health 100% paid for, a 401k with 50% match. 84k plus soft pay of around 10% average plus any other time your agree to fly for premium pay.
13 days off with a trans con commute?!?!?! I wouldn't wish that on an enemy bro. That's 7 days off away from the airport.
You DO realize that if Alaska and Virgin integrate pilots somehow, there are VERY senior Alaska pilots that want and will get SFO?
To add more to the mystery is punching just as discussions of IBB, other seniority improvement initiatives, growth and upgrades are within reach.
You're thinking Delta, aren't you?
03-16-2017, 08:29 AM
#1936
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Ugh, educate yourself a tiny bit before you comment lol, it makes you look extremely uneducated on the subject. Not shocking though, most NetJets pilots live in a bubble. I am SFO based, I am already SFO based, and yes I was hired onto the Virgin side but again, because you are uneducated on the subject, it is becoming Alaska Airlines. 1 payscale, 1 CBA, 1 seniority list. That means 14% company paid 401k. I pay 300 bucks a month for family medical and the benefits are better than NetJets, I will take it. So to recap, I left a dead end, career FO position at a slave driving operation who hates their pilot group for better pay after the first year, better retirement, and better QOL on the road.
My year 3 pay on 7/7 was 69k. Year 1 I take a cut here under the current payscale, and by year 3 here I will have made up the loss, and will have made another 40,000 dollars based on min guarantee.
Why would there be an IBB if everyone is as happy as you say brother?! Everything is great at NetJets and amazing things are coming in 9 months, no IBB needed!!
Again, all of this back and forth because you are so insecure about your job and your position, that you think you have to battle everyone and anyone who remotely disagrees with your completely absurdly unrealistic view of the company, is completely unnecessary. I posted the numbers, you disagree with them, which is why you are impossible to debate with, you hate facts.
My year 3 pay on 7/7 was 69k. Year 1 I take a cut here under the current payscale, and by year 3 here I will have made up the loss, and will have made another 40,000 dollars based on min guarantee.
Why would there be an IBB if everyone is as happy as you say brother?! Everything is great at NetJets and amazing things are coming in 9 months, no IBB needed!!
Again, all of this back and forth because you are so insecure about your job and your position, that you think you have to battle everyone and anyone who remotely disagrees with your completely absurdly unrealistic view of the company, is completely unnecessary. I posted the numbers, you disagree with them, which is why you are impossible to debate with, you hate facts.
03-16-2017, 08:37 AM
#1937
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Originally Posted by Jetlife
Ugh, educate yourself a tiny bit before you comment lol, it makes you look extremely uneducated on the subject. Not shocking though, most NetJets pilots live in a bubble. I am SFO based, I am already SFO based, and yes I was hired onto the Virgin side but again, because you are uneducated on the subject, it is becoming Alaska Airlines. 1 payscale, 1 CBA, 1 seniority list. That means 14% company paid 401k. I pay 300 bucks a month for family medical and the benefits are better than NetJets, I will take it. So to recap, I left a dead end, career FO position at a slave driving operation who hates their pilot group for better pay after the first year, better retirement, and better QOL on the road.
My year 3 pay on 7/7 was 69k. Year 1 I take a cut here under the current payscale, and by year 3 here I will have made up the loss, and will have made another 40,000 dollars based on min guarantee.
Why would there be an IBB if everyone is as happy as you say brother?! Everything is great at NetJets and amazing things are coming in 9 months, no IBB needed!!
Again, all of this back and forth because you are so insecure about your job and your position, that you think you have to battle everyone and anyone who remotely disagrees with your completely absurdly unrealistic view of the company, is completely unnecessary. I posted the numbers, you disagree with them, which is why you are impossible to debate with, you hate facts.
My year 3 pay on 7/7 was 69k. Year 1 I take a cut here under the current payscale, and by year 3 here I will have made up the loss, and will have made another 40,000 dollars based on min guarantee.
Why would there be an IBB if everyone is as happy as you say brother?! Everything is great at NetJets and amazing things are coming in 9 months, no IBB needed!!
Again, all of this back and forth because you are so insecure about your job and your position, that you think you have to battle everyone and anyone who remotely disagrees with your completely absurdly unrealistic view of the company, is completely unnecessary. I posted the numbers, you disagree with them, which is why you are impossible to debate with, you hate facts.
Good luck!
Your first sentence of double entendres says it all!
7n7?! You won't work that little again!
Here's the AK payscale. You made $4 more per hour.... but it's the stability of being part of a larger carrier that VA I'd be excited about.
Oh, I'm just 1/2 way through day 1. Should only be about 5 hours of OT too.
"Slave ship" scheduling has me at a Buffalo Wild Wings watching basketball and eating lunch on the clock following a limo to the jet.
Don't know if I can keep up.
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03-16-2017, 08:52 AM
#1939
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Originally Posted by badtransam97
What is the current NJA payscale? I see what's posted per APC, then what flylow has posted, which aren't the same. Jetlife says his year 3 was 69k, so just curious as to what the actual current payscale is.
What I posted is from the 2015 CBA. I'm not sure if that's what is posted on APC or not.
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03-16-2017, 10:10 AM
#1940
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Originally Posted by badtransam97
What is the current NJA payscale? I see what's posted per APC, then what flylow has posted, which aren't the same. Jetlife says his year 3 was 69k, so just curious as to what the actual current payscale is.
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