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02-01-2018 | 09:46 AM
#3141
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I've been in the interview process since August here, offered class date in March. My understating of the scheduling was that the 7/7 was default, with the CC schedules being available based on bid and seniority.
On this site-"7/7 Schedule will remain as the default schedule and is available to all pilots in every fleet and seat. It will be joined by 4 new schedule types based on days worked during a 4-month period"
In my latest correspondence, I was told 7/7 was in no way a sure thing, and (paraphrasing) the 7/7 isn't guaranteed to any pilot, you'll be assigned a schedule type based on fleet and seat need.
Can anyone offer clarity?
On this site-"7/7 Schedule will remain as the default schedule and is available to all pilots in every fleet and seat. It will be joined by 4 new schedule types based on days worked during a 4-month period"
In my latest correspondence, I was told 7/7 was in no way a sure thing, and (paraphrasing) the 7/7 isn't guaranteed to any pilot, you'll be assigned a schedule type based on fleet and seat need.
Can anyone offer clarity?
02-01-2018 | 10:31 AM
#3142
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NJA is unique, and it has a certain demographic of pilot right by the balls. Guys that were furloughed 15-18 years ago from the airlines and sought refuge at Netjets, are now stuck. Either the airlines didn't call them when they tried to get hired, or they got totally screwed via a merger (TWA guys) and didn't take recall for whatever reason. Now they make ok money, and have lots of seniority which makes them feel safe. But to make the money that their brothers and sisters make at the airlines at a similar DOH and seat, they have to work 19 days a month. Hell there are guys that EXTEND and work more. It is the only way guys say that you can make as much at NJA as the airlines, is working 19 days a month or more.
02-01-2018 | 12:26 PM
#3143
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NJA is unique, and it has a certain demographic of pilot right by the balls. Guys that were furloughed 15-18 years ago from the airlines and sought refuge at Netjets, are now stuck. Either the airlines didn't call them when they tried to get hired, or they got totally screwed via a merger (TWA guys) and didn't take recall for whatever reason. Now they make ok money, and have lots of seniority which makes them feel safe. But to make the money that their brothers and sisters make at the airlines at a similar DOH and seat, they have to work 19 days a month. Hell there are guys that EXTEND and work more. It is the only way guys say that you can make as much at NJA as the airlines, is working 19 days a month or more.
Now, I don't fault a left seat guy for staying but why in the world would someone APPLY to NJA?
02-01-2018 | 12:56 PM
#3144
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I call BS. I was at NJA on the old 7/7 and 18 day. I make the same at my low tier airline as I did there and I average 18 days OFF a month. If our TA is ratified I'll be making more than double what I did at NJA. And more could be made at any higher tier airline.
Now, I don't fault a left seat guy for staying but why in the world would someone APPLY to NJA?
Now, I don't fault a left seat guy for staying but why in the world would someone APPLY to NJA?
02-01-2018 | 01:01 PM
#3145
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Really? I’ve heard of the typical 3 year Fo at delta on the 757 for example making $225K (includes 16% 401k contribution and 15% profit sharing). That’s at 17 days/ month and only should get better with 1,200/ year hiring (nearly 10%of the list added a year). That’s nuts.
02-01-2018 | 01:13 PM
#3146
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Yep. For me, after a decade, I was still less than 15% from the bottom at NJA. So not much of a seniority loss leaving, honestly. After only a few months, I'm already halfway to that same relative seniority at my new gig, so I think it was worth the risk. If I'd been in the left seat at NJA, it would have been a harder decision, although I'd have probably still done it.
02-01-2018 | 01:48 PM
#3147
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Yep. For me, after a decade, I was still less than 15% from the bottom at NJA. So not much of a seniority loss leaving, honestly. After only a few months, I'm already halfway to that same relative seniority at my new gig, so I think it was worth the risk. If I'd been in the left seat at NJA, it would have been a harder decision, although I'd have probably still done it.
02-01-2018 | 08:52 PM
#3148
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Golden handcuffs sometime suck. Given my age, seat, fleet, and seniority, I wouldn't have enough runway to make up the first few years of pay cut before reaching pay parity. Consequently, I have to embrace the suck until I can afford to retire.
But for a younger (and probably better looking) pilot, whether PIC or SIC, if career compensation is a priority, it's just a no-brainer. Think Amityville Horror: GET OUT!
If you are thinking about coming to NJ, you have to be in a very small demographic group to even think this is a good gig. Trust me, even Spirit or Allegiant are better choices at this point for younger pilots with prospects.
But for a younger (and probably better looking) pilot, whether PIC or SIC, if career compensation is a priority, it's just a no-brainer. Think Amityville Horror: GET OUT!
If you are thinking about coming to NJ, you have to be in a very small demographic group to even think this is a good gig. Trust me, even Spirit or Allegiant are better choices at this point for younger pilots with prospects.
02-02-2018 | 04:56 AM
#3149
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It would be worrying to me as potential new hire candidate that while every other operator is hiring like crazy, Netjets has done little, if any hiring at all. Meanwhile there is little evidence of them compensating for attrition, or gearing up for any kind of growth. Quite disconcerting in this environment.
02-02-2018 | 05:30 AM
#3150
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NetJets management wants the new hire pilot to be a butler than a pilot.
Someone that can verify the expiration dates on the airplane stock and move the metal to appease the company and the owner.
Yes, it amazing that management thinks they can find candidates that are willing this work hard for little pay in this massive hiring environment.
Someone that can verify the expiration dates on the airplane stock and move the metal to appease the company and the owner.
Yes, it amazing that management thinks they can find candidates that are willing this work hard for little pay in this massive hiring environment.
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