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01-28-2018, 09:07 AM
#3121
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: right
Posts: 48
Originally Posted by ASACapt
I was with another over 65 recently. It was one thing after another with him screwing up the box, putting in the wrong waypoints after he told me he checked them, and missing so much more. He never helped clean or stock. When I asked for help, it was the very familiar deer in headlights look.
01-28-2018, 09:41 PM
#3122
Speed, Power, Accuracy
Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: PIC
Posts: 1,702
Originally Posted by amaineiac
Did you make a phone call to pro stds? If not, you're just kicking the can down the road. If the person you're paired with is his having issues, you need make a call. You're not getting paid enough to do 2 jobs. And that goes for all ages, not just the "old guys".
01-29-2018, 06:02 AM
#3123
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 684
Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
I'll be curious to see if all the newhires pass the pre-employment drug screening since you basically have to be on crack to come here right now....
I keeeeed people. I keeed.
I keeeeed people. I keeed.
They certainly found my limit. Despite the positives, such as the 7 on 7 off based where you live, I can't keep playing these ridiculous games.
I'm staying where I am. I appreciate the info and the arguments this thread has offered me over the months though!
01-29-2018, 06:54 AM
#3124
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2017
Position: Pilot
Posts: 516
Originally Posted by amaineiac
Did you make a phone call to pro stds? If not, you're just kicking the can down the road. If the person you're paired with is his having issues, you need make a call. You're not getting paid enough to do 2 jobs. And that goes for all ages, not just the "old guys".
I've used both committees before, now I just refuse to fly with people I would consider unsafe or unqualified. It is my opinion that the union and the company are well aware of those that are a safety risk, and even using FDAC or Pro Standards is kicking the can down the road...although it certainly creates some drama and a lot of red tape, from my previous experience neither are worth my time.
Unfortunately NetJets has many problems which can not be resolved at this time. I've been reduced from caring deeply about this place to just making sure the problems at NetJets don't put me at risk. I've found doing anything else is a waste of energy. Culturally there is a lot in place to prevent things from improving.
SICs communicate with me frequently about wrongdoers, dangerous or elderly pilots they fly with. The stories and names are the same from 1, 3 and 5 years ago. Nothing has changed although many have complained, some officially.
When it comes down to it, I'm a pilot at NetJets. Mostly a PIC, sometimes an SIC. My job description is very limited -- my authority and responsibility is finite. In my 15 years here no matter how many surveys are handed out, no matter how much discussion is encouraged, nobody wants my opinion unless it is "yes sir, things are going great".
01-29-2018, 09:23 AM
#3125
Speed, Power, Accuracy
Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: PIC
Posts: 1,702
Originally Posted by Das Auto
I'd be curious to see if they pass the, "being jerked around and inconvenienced" test. Also, the "are you willing to screw over your current employer to meet our never ending interview process," test.
They certainly found my limit. Despite the positives, such as the 7 on 7 off based where you live, I can't keep playing these ridiculous games.
I'm staying where I am. I appreciate the info and the arguments this thread has offered me over the months though!
They certainly found my limit. Despite the positives, such as the 7 on 7 off based where you live, I can't keep playing these ridiculous games.
I'm staying where I am. I appreciate the info and the arguments this thread has offered me over the months though!
01-29-2018, 09:24 AM
#3126
Speed, Power, Accuracy
Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: PIC
Posts: 1,702
Originally Posted by AntiPeter
I'm under the impression that both committees are voluntary and optional, meaning when push comes to shove they do not have authority to prevent someone from flying.
I've used both committees before, now I just refuse to fly with people I would consider unsafe or unqualified. It is my opinion that the union and the company are well aware of those that are a safety risk, and even using FDAC or Pro Standards is kicking the can down the road...although it certainly creates some drama and a lot of red tape, from my previous experience neither are worth my time.
Unfortunately NetJets has many problems which can not be resolved at this time. I've been reduced from caring deeply about this place to just making sure the problems at NetJets don't put me at risk. I've found doing anything else is a waste of energy. Culturally there is a lot in place to prevent things from improving.
SICs communicate with me frequently about wrongdoers, dangerous or elderly pilots they fly with. The stories and names are the same from 1, 3 and 5 years ago. Nothing has changed although many have complained, some officially.
When it comes down to it, I'm a pilot at NetJets. Mostly a PIC, sometimes an SIC. My job description is very limited -- my authority and responsibility is finite. In my 15 years here no matter how many surveys are handed out, no matter how much discussion is encouraged, nobody wants my opinion unless it is "yes sir, things are going great".
I've used both committees before, now I just refuse to fly with people I would consider unsafe or unqualified. It is my opinion that the union and the company are well aware of those that are a safety risk, and even using FDAC or Pro Standards is kicking the can down the road...although it certainly creates some drama and a lot of red tape, from my previous experience neither are worth my time.
Unfortunately NetJets has many problems which can not be resolved at this time. I've been reduced from caring deeply about this place to just making sure the problems at NetJets don't put me at risk. I've found doing anything else is a waste of energy. Culturally there is a lot in place to prevent things from improving.
SICs communicate with me frequently about wrongdoers, dangerous or elderly pilots they fly with. The stories and names are the same from 1, 3 and 5 years ago. Nothing has changed although many have complained, some officially.
When it comes down to it, I'm a pilot at NetJets. Mostly a PIC, sometimes an SIC. My job description is very limited -- my authority and responsibility is finite. In my 15 years here no matter how many surveys are handed out, no matter how much discussion is encouraged, nobody wants my opinion unless it is "yes sir, things are going great".
01-30-2018, 08:09 AM
#3127
New Hire
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 9
I've been in the interview process since August here, offered class date in March. My understating of the scheduling was that the 7/7 was default, with the CC schedules being available based on bid and seniority.
On this site-"7/7 Schedule will remain as the default schedule and is available to all pilots in every fleet and seat. It will be joined by 4 new schedule types based on days worked during a 4-month period"
In my latest correspondence, I was told 7/7 was in no way a sure thing, and (paraphrasing) the 7/7 isn't guaranteed to any pilot, you'll be assigned a schedule type based on fleet and seat need.
Can anyone offer clarity?
On this site-"7/7 Schedule will remain as the default schedule and is available to all pilots in every fleet and seat. It will be joined by 4 new schedule types based on days worked during a 4-month period"
In my latest correspondence, I was told 7/7 was in no way a sure thing, and (paraphrasing) the 7/7 isn't guaranteed to any pilot, you'll be assigned a schedule type based on fleet and seat need.
Can anyone offer clarity?
01-30-2018, 08:16 AM
#3128
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 825
Originally Posted by CorpJetDriver
Can anyone offer clarity?
As a practical matter, enough guys are voluntarily on those schedules that they won't have to force anybody, but if you're in the bottom 10% (I believe) of a given fleet, it's a possibility.
Keep in mind also that you'll be on the 18-day Training schedule, followed by the CC72, from the day you start until you're able to bid onto the 7/7. As the bids are only done three times a year, you may not be able to get the 7/7 for a number of months after you start.
01-30-2018, 09:13 AM
#3129
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2014
Posts: 146
Adding to what 1900 said. I've never heard of someone being forced off the 7/7. It's contractually possible but not probable. You'll get the 7/7 if you want it. The trimester bids can suck if you miss the cut off. I missed it by one week on one of my new aircraft. Waiting till the next bid sucks.
Being assigned a fleet as a new hire is 100% correct. Look for Phenom, XL, 680, and maybe the Latitude. The Latitude should be offered to new hires soon.
Being assigned a fleet as a new hire is 100% correct. Look for Phenom, XL, 680, and maybe the Latitude. The Latitude should be offered to new hires soon.
01-30-2018, 09:21 AM
#3130
New Hire
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 9
Originally Posted by NJA04
Adding to what 1900 said. I've never heard of someone being forced off the 7/7. It's contractually possible but not probable. You'll get the 7/7 if you want it. The trimester bids can suck if you miss the cut off. I missed it by one week on one of my new aircraft. Waiting till the next bid sucks.
Being assigned a fleet as a new hire is 100% correct. Look for Phenom, XL, 680, and maybe the Latitude. The Latitude should be offered to new hires soon.
Being assigned a fleet as a new hire is 100% correct. Look for Phenom, XL, 680, and maybe the Latitude. The Latitude should be offered to new hires soon.
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