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block30 02-06-2014 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590 (Post 1575653)
I made this happen. Whenever I set up interviews at other airlines my airline gets a new contract which makes me cancel said interviews and make stupid decisions.

...so basically...you're welcome!

Thanks, brah! :)

ctab5060X 02-06-2014 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590 (Post 1575653)
I made this happen. Whenever I set up interviews at other airlines my airline gets a new contract which makes me cancel said interviews and make stupid decisions.

...so basically...you're welcome!

Don't worry about it, it was only a GoJets interview! :D

tom11011 02-06-2014 11:13 AM

Here is the problem.

I don't know what this LOA says, but it would seem it can only be designed to poach pilots from other airlines. Maybe or maybe not it is a good enough deal to accomplish that goal.

But it doesn't solve the problem of the lack of talent in the pipeline. There is nobody in the pipeline. The best deal in the world doesn't solve the pipeline problem. In order to solve the pipeline problem, starting salaries need to be about $50,000/yr across all regional airlines. That will get pilots into the pipeline, but even then, you are 3 years out from seeing the benefits.

I'm afraid all that can really happen to solve the immediate problem is this. Small carriers like Silver and GLA must go out of business, the pilots get absorbed into larger players, and the aircraft currently being flown by said carriers get parked in the desert.

There is no immediate solution, I can't see this unfolding any other way. I can't see how airline management or the industry as a whole doesn't see this, if they don't, its incompetence. You can't wish something into existence.

This is the 'leading edge' of the issue, its just getting started.

Salukipilot4590 02-06-2014 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by block30 (Post 1575712)
Thanks, brah! :)

http://i.imgur.com/PYs86.gif


Originally Posted by ctab5060X (Post 1575714)
Don't worry about it, it was only a GoJets interview! :D

I just frew up in my mouf

CrakPipeOvrheat 02-06-2014 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 1575719)
Here is the problem.

I don't know what this LOA says, but it would seem it can only be designed to poach pilots from other airlines. Maybe or maybe not it is a good enough deal to accomplish that goal.

But it doesn't solve the problem of the lack of talent in the pipeline. There is nobody in the pipeline. The best deal in the world doesn't solve the pipeline problem. In order to solve the pipeline problem, starting salaries need to be about $50,000/yr across all regional airlines. That will get pilots into the pipeline, but even then, you are 3 years out from seeing the benefits.

I'm afraid all that can really happen to solve the immediate problem is this. Small carriers like Silver and GLA must go out of business, the pilots get absorbed into larger players, and the aircraft currently being flown by said carriers get parked in the desert.

There is no immediate solution, I can't see this unfolding any other way. I can't see how airline management or the industry as a whole doesn't see this, if they don't, its incompetence. You can't wish something into existence.

This is the 'leading edge' of the issue, its just getting started.

If this country paid extremely well at both the major and regional level pilots wold return from foreign jobs and the ones who left the business would return. If this still doesn't solve the problem then the US could allow hiring of foreign pilots. If the US becomes the best place to work for a pilot, then they will never have a pilot shortage problem. Just like Delta, American, and United will never have a problem filling classes. The problem will be that of the cheapo foreign carriers like Lion Air. Unfortunately, there are a lot of airlines here in the US with a Lion Air mentality. Guess we'll have to wait and see how it plays out.

fullflank 02-06-2014 12:08 PM

[QUOTE=tom11011;1575719]Here is the problem.

I don't know what this LOA says, but it would seem it can only be designed to poach pilots from other airlines. Maybe or maybe not it is a good enough deal to accomplish that goal.

But it doesn't solve the problem of the lack of talent in the pipeline. There is nobody in the pipeline. The best deal in the world doesn't solve the pipeline problem. In order to solve the pipeline problem, starting salaries need to be about $50,000/yr across all regional airlines. That will get pilots into the pipeline, but even then, you are 3 years out from seeing the benefits.

I'm afraid all that can really happen to solve the immediate problem is this. Small carriers like Silver and GLA must go out of business, the pilots get absorbed into larger players, and the aircraft currently being flown by said carriers get parked in the desert.

There is no immediate solution, I can't see this unfolding any other way. I can't see how airline management or the industry as a whole doesn't see this, if they don't, its incompetence. You can't wish something into existence.

This is the 'leading edge' of the issue, its just getting started.[/B]


I think management is smart enough to see the issue unfolding, yet isn't doing what we expected to solve it. That's what worries me. I think they're counting on regulation changes again to solve their staffing issues. 1500 hr requirement goes away and you have a much larger pool of pilots over night. Management has money, and that's the only thing that counts in Washington.

Salukipilot4590 02-06-2014 12:18 PM

To be honest, this is something I've been waiting to see for MONTHS. I had all but given up on management here but this is at least SOMETHING positive (with regards to new pilot recruitment).

dmncnpilot 02-06-2014 12:27 PM

Like I said before Silver will rise like a phoenix from the ashes. Go Silver!

tom11011 02-06-2014 12:32 PM

[QUOTE=fullflank;1575761]

Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 1575719)
Here is the problem.

I don't know what this LOA says, but it would seem it can only be designed to poach pilots from other airlines. Maybe or maybe not it is a good enough deal to accomplish that goal.

But it doesn't solve the problem of the lack of talent in the pipeline. There is nobody in the pipeline. The best deal in the world doesn't solve the pipeline problem. In order to solve the pipeline problem, starting salaries need to be about $50,000/yr across all regional airlines. That will get pilots into the pipeline, but even then, you are 3 years out from seeing the benefits.

I'm afraid all that can really happen to solve the immediate problem is this. Small carriers like Silver and GLA must go out of business, the pilots get absorbed into larger players, and the aircraft currently being flown by said carriers get parked in the desert.

There is no immediate solution, I can't see this unfolding any other way. I can't see how airline management or the industry as a whole doesn't see this, if they don't, its incompetence. You can't wish something into existence.

This is the 'leading edge' of the issue, its just getting started.[/B]


I think management is smart enough to see the issue unfolding, yet isn't doing what we expected to solve it. That's what worries me. I think they're counting on regulation changes again to solve their staffing issues. 1500 hr requirement goes away and you have a much larger pool of pilots over night. Management has money, and that's the only thing that counts in Washington.

In this particular case, the change were the result of congress, not the FAA. We all know how easily congress agrees to things.:rolleyes:

Salukipilot4590 02-06-2014 01:09 PM

LOA info out.


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