Great Lakes' Part 135 plan
03-08-2014, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
The Captain can fly either of those airplanes, under 121 rules or under 135 rules.
An FO without the hours is only an FO in the airplanes with 9 seats. The airplanes with 19 seats have a fully qualified 121 FO.
This has to be it.
An FO without the hours is only an FO in the airplanes with 9 seats. The airplanes with 19 seats have a fully qualified 121 FO.
This has to be it.
As to the comments doubting a 250 hours FO, all I can say is that Great Lakes has been hiring 250 hours FOs for about 25 years, and they have a nearly perfect safety record. No doubt, more experience is better than less, but the training dept at Great Lakes makes sure you know what you are doing before you get to go fly. Historically, 40% of newhires at Great Lakes do not pass training. They use the training dept to weed people out, not the interview.
03-08-2014, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
...As to the comments doubting a 250 hours FO, all I can say is that Great Lakes has been hiring 250 hours FOs for about 25 years, and they have a nearly perfect safety record. No doubt, more experience is better than less, but the training dept at Great Lakes makes sure you know what you are doing before you get to go fly. Historically, 40% of newhires at Great Lakes do not pass training. They use the training dept to weed people out, not the interview.
03-08-2014, 01:19 PM
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you miss quite a lot by not CFI'ing and duking it out in 135 for a couple of years.
How so? I would say buzzing around in a 150 for 1500 hours is not the best way to prepare for an airline compared to a 135 FO learning from the captain. Just my opinion though. I guess a lot of CFI's can get through the rigorousness of airline training without flying 135. I still think flying 135 would help for a better transition. Frying your brain from drinking from the water hose and then being thrown into a sim that you have never seen before is not fun.
How so? I would say buzzing around in a 150 for 1500 hours is not the best way to prepare for an airline compared to a 135 FO learning from the captain. Just my opinion though. I guess a lot of CFI's can get through the rigorousness of airline training without flying 135. I still think flying 135 would help for a better transition. Frying your brain from drinking from the water hose and then being thrown into a sim that you have never seen before is not fun.
03-08-2014, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ClarenceOver
you miss quite a lot by not CFI'ing and duking it out in 135 for a couple of years.
How so? I would say buzzing around in a 150 for 1500 hours is not the best way to prepare for an airline compared to a 135 FO learning from the captain. Just my opinion though. I guess a lot of CFI's can get through the rigorousness of airline training without flying 135. I still think flying 135 would help for a better transition. Frying your brain from drinking from the water hose and then being thrown into a sim that you have never seen before is not fun.
How so? I would say buzzing around in a 150 for 1500 hours is not the best way to prepare for an airline compared to a 135 FO learning from the captain. Just my opinion though. I guess a lot of CFI's can get through the rigorousness of airline training without flying 135. I still think flying 135 would help for a better transition. Frying your brain from drinking from the water hose and then being thrown into a sim that you have never seen before is not fun.
03-08-2014, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
Yes, this is correct.
As to the comments doubting a 250 hours FO, all I can say is that Great Lakes has been hiring 250 hours FOs for about 25 years, and they have a nearly perfect safety record. No doubt, more experience is better than less, but the training dept at Great Lakes makes sure you know what you are doing before you get to go fly. Historically, 40% of newhires at Great Lakes do not pass training. They use the training dept to weed people out, not the interview.
As to the comments doubting a 250 hours FO, all I can say is that Great Lakes has been hiring 250 hours FOs for about 25 years, and they have a nearly perfect safety record. No doubt, more experience is better than less, but the training dept at Great Lakes makes sure you know what you are doing before you get to go fly. Historically, 40% of newhires at Great Lakes do not pass training. They use the training dept to weed people out, not the interview.
03-09-2014, 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ClarenceOver
Better prepared for Great Lakes? Sure! Better prepared for the 8 rides do or die at eagle? I am not so sure.
03-09-2014, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by flynd94
Yeah.... In my couple of years there we had someone taxi a plan into the terminal in STL, a couple go off the runway. The NTSB listened to the CVR recordings of these and other incidents and were appalled. The most unprofessional CVR's they ever heard.
Doesn't sound like the type of comment the NTSB usually makes.
03-09-2014, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by flynd94
Yeah.... In my couple of years there we had someone taxi a plan into the terminal in STL, a couple go off the runway. The NTSB listened to the CVR recordings of these and other incidents and were appalled. The most unprofessional CVR's they ever heard.
I once heard someone talking about the "three G's" referring to the flight attendants on his trip. Oh, wait, so did everyone else who was on Houston approach that day, and everyone who watched the news the next day!
Must have been Great Lakes pilots unprofessionalism rubbing off on him.
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