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Old 03-18-2014 | 09:41 PM
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Why would they need to? Dripping wets will be beating down the door to get the precious turbine time.
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Old 03-18-2014 | 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by cactipilot
Does anyone know if Great Lakes has any lobbyists in DC?
I'd probably pay money to see a Great Lakes version of a DC lobbyist.
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Old 03-19-2014 | 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ClarenceOver
They have. People are getting offers with 500 hours. My question is can a 500 hour wonder shoot adf approaches and use an rmi and still get through training.
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Any instrument rated pilot should
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How do you figure? NDB's are going away and having the instrument rating doesn't mean you have seen every single approach.
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Do you think that with the 135 plan that this will be the first time that GLA has hired 500 hour pilots?
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Of course not. I just have a few friends over there that said their training wasn't easy. Not saying a 500 hour pilot won't make it. I am just interested to know who does and who doesn't.
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I do respect the fundamental IFR skills of the Lakes pilot group. I haven't worked there, but have heard good things about the training and the pilot group. I have heard the training is rigorous. I am disapointed the pilots weren't able to attain a better contract, though.
GLA training is the most intense thing I've ever done... and this was almost 15 years ago. While most airlines approach training as a collaborative effort, GLA treats it like military boot camp. While most talk you through the systems and performance, GLA says "You better study". While most slowly work you up in the sim, focusing on company procedures, GLA throws you in day one with ADF partial panel and single engine approaches. They have always had a policy that instrument skills are paramount because of the archaic flying they do, and lack of autopilots/flight directors. And I would dare say pilots who make it through that program have instrument skills that are the best of the best. Of 12 people who begun training with me 3 of us made it online. None of them had less than 1000 hours. I can't imagine <500 hr wonders making it through that unless they plan to start spoon feeding it.
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Old 03-19-2014 | 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
GLA training is the most intense thing I've ever done... and this was almost 15 years ago. While most airlines approach training as a collaborative effort, GLA treats it like military boot camp... of 12 people who begun training with me 3 of us made it online.
This report is true to many others I have read and makes me wonder how many newbies would apply if they knew what was going to happen to them at this company. Internet dissemination of rumors does not seem to put much of a damper on their behavior. Assuming most applicants know what they are in for, it suggests a kind of desperation or madness on the part of the applicants. I would be morbidly curious to read a psych study of them given how eager they are for such a punishing, low paying experience.
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Old 03-19-2014 | 04:34 AM
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This report is true to many others I have read and makes me wonder how many newbies would apply if they knew what was going to happen to them at this company. Internet dissemination of rumors does not seem to put much of a damper on their behavior. Assuming most applicants know what they are in for, it suggests a kind of desperation or madness on the part of the applicants. I would be morbidly curious to read a psych study of them given how eager they are for such a punishing, low paying experience.
When I went to work there in the late 90s, I didn't know any better. You pretty much needed 1200/200 to get a job anywhere, and competitive mins were a lot higher at the regional jet operators. GLA was hiring people right out of the interview, and hey, it sure beat flight instructing.

But yeah, in this modern era when you can know everything about a company after a couple hours of research, and the jet operators are bribing people to show up for class, you'd have to be a special kind of stupid to go work for GLA. Or ridiculously low time...
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Old 03-19-2014 | 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by spaaks
If great mistakes had been approved for this 9 seat 135-sh** show, wouldn't they have made an announcement/press release so all the wet commercials would know to apply to them?

I heard from someone who used to work there that their part 135 certificate has not been ‘officially’ approved by the FAA yet, and that it might take a least another month. Any GLA pilot willing to clarify this?
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Old 03-19-2014 | 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
GLA training is the most intense thing I've ever done... and this was almost 15 years ago. While most airlines approach training as a collaborative effort, GLA treats it like military boot camp. While most talk you through the systems and performance, GLA says "You better study". While most slowly work you up in the sim, focusing on company procedures, GLA throws you in day one with ADF partial panel and single engine approaches. They have always had a policy that instrument skills are paramount because of the archaic flying they do, and lack of autopilots/flight directors. And I would dare say pilots who make it through that program have instrument skills that are the best of the best. Of 12 people who begun training with me 3 of us made it online. None of them had less than 1000 hours. I can't imagine <500 hr wonders making it through that unless they plan to start spoon feeding it.
There's nothing impressive about a training department that takes pride in how 'hard' their training is. Training for any airline can be enjoyable or difficult based on the quality of the training department. A high washout rate means the training sucks, not the pilot.

Why people think GLA training is 'cool' or 'badass' is perplexing. It sucks. Plain and simple.
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Old 03-19-2014 | 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by bernouli
There's nothing impressive about a training department that takes pride in how 'hard' their training is. Training for any airline can be enjoyable or difficult based on the quality of the training department. A high washout rate means the training sucks, not the pilot.

Why people think GLA training is 'cool' or 'badass' is perplexing. It sucks. Plain and simple.
The flying that Lakes does ( and operators of the sort) *is* challenging. I imagine given the current hiring environment that new hires are given more time to succeed. I don't know that anyone is going around claiming the instructors are pricks.
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Old 03-19-2014 | 06:13 AM
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Does an off-line jumpseater count against the 9 allowed passengers?
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Old 03-19-2014 | 08:16 AM
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There are only 9 seats, so if any seats are left over, a "jumpseater" will be provided a seat.

135 OpsSpecs signed yesterday. April 1 will be 1st revenue flights with 135 aircraft/OE.
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