Gama Aviation/Wheels up pay scales
12-09-2019, 07:11 AM
#302
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Originally Posted by MikeBates
Gama/Wheels Up announced that- yet again- they are changing health insurance providers. We have United now but they are moving us to something called “Innovative Health Plan II powered by AmWINS”
... who the heck is AmWINS??
... who the heck is AmWINS??
https://www.amwins.com/
12-09-2019, 07:23 AM
#303
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Originally Posted by MikeBates
Gama/Wheels Up announced that- yet again- they are changing health insurance providers. We have United now but they are moving us to something called “Innovative Health Plan II powered by AmWINS”
... who the heck is AmWINS??
... who the heck is AmWINS??
12-09-2019, 10:20 AM
#304
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Originally Posted by captjns
12-09-2019, 10:53 AM
#305
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How does wheels up keep any pilots when that pay scale is WAY below industry standard?
Originally Posted by phlying4fun
Just received this info. It begins March 1, 2018 and is for all airplanes, King Air, or Citations (560 or X), salary
year SIC PIC
1 55 90
2 60 94
3 65 98
4 70 102
5 80 106
6 82 108
7 83 110
8 85 112
9 87 115
10 88 117
8 on 6 off schedule. Home based (limited to certain cities).
Company paid medical (Cigna), dental(Delta Dental), vision.
Life insurance, 1 times salary paid by company. Up to 3 times paid by pilot.
No company paid long term or short term disability.
$59 per diem domestic.
Any questions, I can try to answer on here if/when I am free.
year SIC PIC
1 55 90
2 60 94
3 65 98
4 70 102
5 80 106
6 82 108
7 83 110
8 85 112
9 87 115
10 88 117
8 on 6 off schedule. Home based (limited to certain cities).
Company paid medical (Cigna), dental(Delta Dental), vision.
Life insurance, 1 times salary paid by company. Up to 3 times paid by pilot.
No company paid long term or short term disability.
$59 per diem domestic.
Any questions, I can try to answer on here if/when I am free.
12-09-2019, 12:09 PM
#307
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Originally Posted by jetman0122
How does wheels up keep any pilots when that pay scale is WAY below industry standard?
“Comparison only”
XO pays a FO 55,000 8/6 HB Jet
GAMA pays a FO 55,00 8/6 HB KingAir
XO 150.00 x12 medical insurance= -1800.00
GAMA 0x12 medical insurance= -0.00
XO pays for dinner via credit card= 0.00 in pocket
GAMA you get 59.00x8 days minus your appetite.= 472.00 in your pocket
I hope your questioning all 135 carriers
12-09-2019, 09:03 PM
#308
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Joined APC: Dec 2019
Position: KA350 Captain
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Many FO's wait a quite a while to upgrade, but they do have enough time to learn the job. The pay difference is rather dramatic, so keep it to yourself if you do the 'street capt' route. Don't expect a three-month upgrade (average street captain) to be a piece of cake. You'll definitely earn it, even if you had the previous time in type, 135 time, and totals.
Flying a KA350 is considered tougher by comparison than flying midsize jets and heavy metal. Many older and younger pilots do find it challenging. The job is rather fast paced. You'll need to be a good pilot to hang with this crowd, and be willing to learn some new things and do it 'the Gama way.'
Schedual: One hour turns between legs, long days. That said, its not hard if you're organized and proficient. Food can be an issue, but at least the per-diem is yours at $59 day (plus uber eats). You can get a meal most of the time, but you do need to plan for it. Hilton or Marriott every night. Home on day 8.
Maintain currency in two avionics suites (Proline and Fusion). Continual improvements in standards and training. You'll need to study to keep up with all of it. Flying 400-500 hours a year, average leg is around 1.2. I'd say the standards overall are very high. The safety record, maintenance, and management support is exceptional.
I see many pilots here wanting an 7/7, or a higher QOL. The point is well taken that other operators are becoming more competitive concerning pilot compensation (pay and benefits). The compensation issue has been addressed annually. There is a pilot shortage. We'll see how all that goes this year.
I personally doubt the rumor GAMA will be phased out if WUP ever consoldated under TMC's certificate. WUP started with Netjets management, they do have a pilot-centered culture. Gama and WUP have a very solid relationship, and I'd expect TMC pilots will benefit from that relationship too.
The OT opportunities (at premium rates) are a compensation benefit that many do avail themselves-- if time away from home is a personal option. The long-term earning potential may be higher at some other 135 operators, but many pilots stay here if the pay difference isn't worth changing jobs, if your plan is to end up in the Majors or fully retire in a few years. Considering the turnover, OT isn't a bad thing if you're willing to work.
My .02 cents.
Flying a KA350 is considered tougher by comparison than flying midsize jets and heavy metal. Many older and younger pilots do find it challenging. The job is rather fast paced. You'll need to be a good pilot to hang with this crowd, and be willing to learn some new things and do it 'the Gama way.'
Schedual: One hour turns between legs, long days. That said, its not hard if you're organized and proficient. Food can be an issue, but at least the per-diem is yours at $59 day (plus uber eats). You can get a meal most of the time, but you do need to plan for it. Hilton or Marriott every night. Home on day 8.
Maintain currency in two avionics suites (Proline and Fusion). Continual improvements in standards and training. You'll need to study to keep up with all of it. Flying 400-500 hours a year, average leg is around 1.2. I'd say the standards overall are very high. The safety record, maintenance, and management support is exceptional.
I see many pilots here wanting an 7/7, or a higher QOL. The point is well taken that other operators are becoming more competitive concerning pilot compensation (pay and benefits). The compensation issue has been addressed annually. There is a pilot shortage. We'll see how all that goes this year.
I personally doubt the rumor GAMA will be phased out if WUP ever consoldated under TMC's certificate. WUP started with Netjets management, they do have a pilot-centered culture. Gama and WUP have a very solid relationship, and I'd expect TMC pilots will benefit from that relationship too.
The OT opportunities (at premium rates) are a compensation benefit that many do avail themselves-- if time away from home is a personal option. The long-term earning potential may be higher at some other 135 operators, but many pilots stay here if the pay difference isn't worth changing jobs, if your plan is to end up in the Majors or fully retire in a few years. Considering the turnover, OT isn't a bad thing if you're willing to work.
My .02 cents.
12-10-2019, 05:48 AM
#309
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Originally Posted by LLWS09R
“Comparison only”
XO pays a FO 55,000 8/6 HB Jet
GAMA pays a FO 55,000 8/6 HB KingAir
XO pays a FO 55,000 8/6 HB Jet
GAMA pays a FO 55,000 8/6 HB KingAir
12-10-2019, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Peabody17
While it is true this is the potential starting salary for an XO FO, it is the lowest of four tiers based on flight experience. Of the six new-hires in my class, I think five of them are Tier 1, or $70,000/yr. That appears to be Year 4 pay at Gama? Except an XO FO will upgrade to Captain in about 12-18 months and be making $110,000, which a Gama Captain won’t make until year 7?
So some of your classmates are losing 20,000 the first year and earning 10,000 more than a 2 year pilot at GAMA so at year 3 it’s a wash not considering any other factors. Unless XO a true 25 year career and not just a stepping stone it’s pointless to go back a forth
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