Jet Edge
01-17-2022, 02:33 AM
#11
New Hire
Joined APC: Aug 2021
Posts: 2
Originally Posted by fitflyer
How's the training? They have several openings for captains. I'm a CA on the e175 in the 121 world and wondering how feasible it would be to go in as a CA there. I get that a lot of that comes down to the pilot, but....there are training programs...and there are training programs. :-)
Unfortunately you won't be able to get a direct entry captain position unless you are already typed and have some time in type. Primarily due to insurance and Wyvern platinum requirements. Also be warned that 91/135 flying is very different from 121. Expect to do everything yourself. I've flown with several pilots who were retired 121 guys. Most of them adjust but a lot struggle with the change.
In regards to training, expect to be sent to CAE at either Dallas or Morristown (for gulfstreams anyway). The CAE folks at both locations are great. You'll also have to do CBT's for all the other stuff for the company. You are expected to go to training on your off rotation which is total BS. No additional pay or incentive.
Like I said though, I quit last year so they may have changed things. In short, not the worst company but there's definitely better operations out there. If you get assigned on the Gulfstream fleet the pay is below industry standard.
03-19-2022, 08:01 AM
#13
New Hire
Joined APC: Mar 2015
Posts: 9
Originally Posted by Cloud 9
Am on the challenger at Jet edge, most captains here on my equipment is between 140-165k and FO is at 85-100k. If that is below industry standards please point me in the right direction. The home based guys or floating fleet works on 2 schedules and it’s up to the crew to do either a 15/13 or 11/9. Travel day on both ends so the 15 then 13 hard days off. Otherwise am pretty happy here , been here 4plus years and I never really had an issue with the company. There are things I wish they do better but for what’s it worth most guys are happy here. There are a lot of jobs out there.
03-19-2022, 08:02 AM
#14
New Hire
Joined APC: Mar 2015
Posts: 9
Originally Posted by maxr
I quit working for them last year. You can look up my long overview of Jet Edge on another thread regarding the company.
Unfortunately you won't be able to get a direct entry captain position unless you are already typed and have some time in type. Primarily due to insurance and Wyvern platinum requirements. Also be warned that 91/135 flying is very different from 121. Expect to do everything yourself. I've flown with several pilots who were retired 121 guys. Most of them adjust but a lot struggle with the change.
In regards to training, expect to be sent to CAE at either Dallas or Morristown (for gulfstreams anyway). The CAE folks at both locations are great. You'll also have to do CBT's for all the other stuff for the company. You are expected to go to training on your off rotation which is total BS. No additional pay or incentive.
Like I said though, I quit last year so they may have changed things. In short, not the worst company but there's definitely better operations out there. If you get assigned on the Gulfstream fleet the pay is below industry standard.
Unfortunately you won't be able to get a direct entry captain position unless you are already typed and have some time in type. Primarily due to insurance and Wyvern platinum requirements. Also be warned that 91/135 flying is very different from 121. Expect to do everything yourself. I've flown with several pilots who were retired 121 guys. Most of them adjust but a lot struggle with the change.
In regards to training, expect to be sent to CAE at either Dallas or Morristown (for gulfstreams anyway). The CAE folks at both locations are great. You'll also have to do CBT's for all the other stuff for the company. You are expected to go to training on your off rotation which is total BS. No additional pay or incentive.
Like I said though, I quit last year so they may have changed things. In short, not the worst company but there's definitely better operations out there. If you get assigned on the Gulfstream fleet the pay is below industry standard.
05-11-2022, 01:55 PM
#17
Salty Dog
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Captain
Posts: 14
I am currently a captain on the CL30 and new to large Part 135. I've been spoiled most of my career and never flown for a large operation like this, mostly cherry Part 91 gigs. Here are my pros/cons:
Pros:
1. Great leadership team. CP and DO are great guys and are phenomenal leaders.
2. Great support staff. Most everyone really does a great job and will bend over backwards to help you out.
3. Great equipment. Most of the aircraft they fly are recently purchased with new paint and interiors. When they purchase an older 300 they upgrade the avionics and Wifi.
4. Safe operation. If something is broke, or the conditions are not safe to conduct the flight, no question asked, write it up, or make the call. They might talk it through to ensure they understand all the circumstances and agree with the decision, but the PIC is never pressured beyond his/her comfort level.
5. Pay. There are better paying gigs out there, but as far as Part 135 operations, this is pretty decent. $160K plus $10K bonus for 1st year captains.
6. Benefits: Medical and dental plans are great with relatively low copays and premiums.
7. No nickle/diming. Onboarding is very organized and they pay for all uniforms, iPads, KCM badge. We stay in Marriotts or Hiltons (your choice), they put you on your choice of airline, rental cars provided in most overnights, and even reimburse you for tips on the road. You get your own CC
8. Great culture. So far (I've only fown for a few months), everyone I've met has been professional and enjoyable to fly with.
9. They aren't vaccine-crazy. The leave this up to you and don't pressure you one way or another.
Cons:
1. I'm still getting used to the 15 days on. It is a little much, and there is chatter about going to an 8/6. I hope that happens.
2. Ops tempo. Some days can be long with two to three legs and over 8 hours of flight time. I haven't had to call in fatigued, and not every day is like that, but prepare to work.
3. I personally enjoy the cabin duties, but if you aren't used to corporate or charter work, be prepared to focus a lot on cleaning/catering/throwing bags/shopping for stock when low, etc. The more effort placed on these activities, the better your tips are...and they can be good!
4. It's a big company (especially now with the Vista merger). I do often feel like a number compared to the smaller 91 departments.
5. Transitioning to a new jet/bigger jet requires sitting right seat for about a year with right seat pay. I hope this will change one day, as it would be nice to be able to move up within the company without taking a huge pay cut each time.
I'm not sure I'll make this place my career, but I have no big complaints, and thoroughly enjoy working here for now.
Hope that helps.
Now key the nay sayers....
Pros:
1. Great leadership team. CP and DO are great guys and are phenomenal leaders.
2. Great support staff. Most everyone really does a great job and will bend over backwards to help you out.
3. Great equipment. Most of the aircraft they fly are recently purchased with new paint and interiors. When they purchase an older 300 they upgrade the avionics and Wifi.
4. Safe operation. If something is broke, or the conditions are not safe to conduct the flight, no question asked, write it up, or make the call. They might talk it through to ensure they understand all the circumstances and agree with the decision, but the PIC is never pressured beyond his/her comfort level.
5. Pay. There are better paying gigs out there, but as far as Part 135 operations, this is pretty decent. $160K plus $10K bonus for 1st year captains.
6. Benefits: Medical and dental plans are great with relatively low copays and premiums.
7. No nickle/diming. Onboarding is very organized and they pay for all uniforms, iPads, KCM badge. We stay in Marriotts or Hiltons (your choice), they put you on your choice of airline, rental cars provided in most overnights, and even reimburse you for tips on the road. You get your own CC
8. Great culture. So far (I've only fown for a few months), everyone I've met has been professional and enjoyable to fly with.
9. They aren't vaccine-crazy. The leave this up to you and don't pressure you one way or another.
Cons:
1. I'm still getting used to the 15 days on. It is a little much, and there is chatter about going to an 8/6. I hope that happens.
2. Ops tempo. Some days can be long with two to three legs and over 8 hours of flight time. I haven't had to call in fatigued, and not every day is like that, but prepare to work.
3. I personally enjoy the cabin duties, but if you aren't used to corporate or charter work, be prepared to focus a lot on cleaning/catering/throwing bags/shopping for stock when low, etc. The more effort placed on these activities, the better your tips are...and they can be good!
4. It's a big company (especially now with the Vista merger). I do often feel like a number compared to the smaller 91 departments.
5. Transitioning to a new jet/bigger jet requires sitting right seat for about a year with right seat pay. I hope this will change one day, as it would be nice to be able to move up within the company without taking a huge pay cut each time.
I'm not sure I'll make this place my career, but I have no big complaints, and thoroughly enjoy working here for now.
Hope that helps.
Now key the nay sayers....
05-12-2022, 02:38 PM
#18
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2014
Posts: 286
Dash—Thank you! Is the feeling that JE will be kept separate from Vista and XO for a while? I have talked to an XO guy here and they are one of three top choices for me. I just have Gulfstream experience and naturally gravitate toward that (but I’m screwed by the ICAO age restrictions on Int’l). I’ll fly whatever I’m assigned but I’m just comfortable with the Gulfstream world.
Any further input is greatly appreciated.
TC
Any further input is greatly appreciated.
TC
05-23-2022, 07:21 AM
#20
Salty Dog
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Captain
Posts: 14
Originally Posted by AA717driver
Dash—Thank you! Is the feeling that JE will be kept separate from Vista and XO for a while? I have talked to an XO guy here and they are one of three top choices for me. I just have Gulfstream experience and naturally gravitate toward that (but I’m screwed by the ICAO age restrictions on Int’l). I’ll fly whatever I’m assigned but I’m just comfortable with the Gulfstream world.
Any further input is greatly appreciated.
TC
Any further input is greatly appreciated.
TC
The Citation X, XLS, and small jet fleet will remain under the XO brand and make up the standard service membership class. The XO brand will remain a separate membership level, but as far as the actual certificate, I'm not sure if they will merge them into the Vista certificate. I have not heard a lot of positive things about the conditions at XO, Red Wing, or Talon...all three of the certificates that will be merged eventually to make up the XO fleet. But again, I'm just a line pilot and new to the organization so do your own due diligence.
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