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11-25-2016, 08:45 AM
#3411
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Originally Posted by TransMach
That's BS. It isn't struck work. Bring a B767 or other large airplane on property and fly a trip that was being flown by ABX Air, that's truck work. Carrying DHL cargo on a Metro isn't.
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When you gonna be in Dallas? Or SAT, since I'm spending about half my time down there these days. We need to get a bite and catch up.
11-26-2016, 09:42 AM
#3413
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Originally Posted by godsnotapilot
Does any body know if there are opportunities to pick up extra shifts or any other ways to make extra money while working at Ameriflight?
11-26-2016, 11:14 AM
#3414
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Originally Posted by TransMach
That's BS. It isn't struck work. Bring a B767 or other large airplane on property and fly a trip that was being flown by ABX Air, that's truck work. Carrying DHL cargo on a Metro isn't.
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11-26-2016, 11:17 AM
#3415
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If a Metro, or any plane for that matter, flew work that an ABX 767 would have normally flown that day out of CVG, that is flying struck work, no room for argument. Not saying that happened at all, but that is absolutely struck work, and if that occurred, rest assure 1224 and the pilot group will make it very public, with names.
11-26-2016, 05:12 PM
#3416
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Originally Posted by Jetlife
If a Metro, or any plane for that matter, flew work that an ABX 767 would have normally flown that day out of CVG, that is flying struck work, no room for argument. Not saying that happened at all, but that is absolutely struck work, and if that occurred, rest assure 1224 and the pilot group will make it very public, with names.
If so - - I've wondered about this in the past.
That sounds like you are saying that if Delta went on strike and I wanted to get to DC, but I instead flew on United - then United flew struck pax.
11-26-2016, 05:24 PM
#3417
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
KCD said 'on a route that they normally wouldn't fly' - and that seems to make sense. But you seem to elude to that if they flew additional cargo to one of their locations that ABX might also fly to would be flying struck work. Is that correct?
If so - - I've wondered about this in the past.
That sounds like you are saying that if Delta went on strike and I wanted to get to DC, but I instead flew on United - then United flew struck pax.
If so - - I've wondered about this in the past.
That sounds like you are saying that if Delta went on strike and I wanted to get to DC, but I instead flew on United - then United flew struck pax.
If Delta went on strike, and you as a United pilot crossed the picket line to go fly, I wouldn't want to be anywhere around you. I wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole. Now if a United crew was tasked to fly Delta passengers because Delta was on strike, yes that would be scabbing.
I am not implying that AMF did anything wrong, but the lines could be blurred pretty easily. Flying any DHL supported runs out of CVG could easily be considered flying struck work.
11-27-2016, 03:49 AM
#3418
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Originally Posted by Jetlife
No no, what I am saying is that ABX conducted the strike in CVG. Any work that would have normally been on an ABX flight that was flown out by another airplane, is flying struck work.
If Delta went on strike, and you as a United pilot crossed the picket line to go fly, I wouldn't want to be anywhere around you. I wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole. Now if a United crew was tasked to fly Delta passengers because Delta was on strike, yes that would be scabbing.
I am not implying that AMF did anything wrong, but the lines could be blurred pretty easily. Flying any DHL supported runs out of CVG could easily be considered flying struck work.
If Delta went on strike, and you as a United pilot crossed the picket line to go fly, I wouldn't want to be anywhere around you. I wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole. Now if a United crew was tasked to fly Delta passengers because Delta was on strike, yes that would be scabbing.
I am not implying that AMF did anything wrong, but the lines could be blurred pretty easily. Flying any DHL supported runs out of CVG could easily be considered flying struck work.
I'm on Delta flight (or booked on Delta) - the strike happens and I am rebooked on United. You would consider United to be flying 'struck work'?
When you say 'tasked to fly Delta passengers' - give me a scenario here.
How might the crew even know which passengers (or cargo for that matter) might have been rerouted and is actually 'struck work'?
11-27-2016, 02:20 PM
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To answer your question on "how would they know" is that the best way to know is to error on the side of caution. I'm pretty sure Falcon Air found this out the hard way during the Spirit strike. If it smells remotely fishy, don't fly it.
Will there be scenarios where a passenger who was on that Delta flight that is now canceled because of a strike, buys a ticket on United to get where they're going? Sure, is that struck work? No.
We can think of grey area scenarios all day long but it doesn't really apply here. Any cargo that was to be carried out by ABX that day is struck work.
Will there be scenarios where a passenger who was on that Delta flight that is now canceled because of a strike, buys a ticket on United to get where they're going? Sure, is that struck work? No.
We can think of grey area scenarios all day long but it doesn't really apply here. Any cargo that was to be carried out by ABX that day is struck work.
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