Omnipotent

Other than with UPS, is AMF looking to sign additional flow thru agreements?

FreightDogs

Hi, Omnipotent!

Aside from our current Flow Through agreements with Frontier, Allegiant, and Omni Air (and of course our Gateway Program with UPS), other Flow Throughs are definitely in the works. Nothing set in stone yet, but we are certainly working to provide these defined career paths for our current and future pilots. They are awesome agreements!

Omnipotent

Thanks for responding. With all due respect, except for UPS, the other airlines you have flow throughs with are true bottom feeders. When are you going to sign agreements with quality airlines that people actually want to work for?

How many AMF pilots have flowed to Frontier, Allegiant and Omni?

Jetlife

Please please please stop calling them flow through agreements, they do not meet the industry definition of flow. I would hate to see new hires get the wrong impression.

Omnipotent

What do you call them? And what's the "industry" definition of flow?

Jetlife

A flow is where the company takes a mandatory number of people by seniority, from another company. No interview, no other prerequisite to meet other than when your seniority number comes up, you are in the next indoc. AMF has nothing like that. They are preferential hiring agreements, that's it.

stnkbg1

I'm slightly confused by the 1 to 8 part there. Are you saying depending on route you'd fly between 1 and 8 legs a day, with an average of 3?

Burbank is close to ONT, but thanks to SoCal traffic it's a significantly longer drive, making ONT the preferred choice for sure! Thanks a lot for being here and answering everyone's questions. I'm sure I'm not the only one that appreciates it.

stnkbg1

Also curious about the pay for new ACP hires and the opportunities for advancement/raises with time.

frmrbuffdrvr

It doesn't directly affect the current pilots as it is a UPS program for their interns to hire on here to build time. There is currently no way for a current AMF pilot to move into the program. But the hope (and what AMF is pushing for) is that it will lead to a program for pilots who come direct to AMF to move through to UPS at some point in the future.

Hand Commander

Thanks, but it was a rhetorical question. Since the employee/pilot calls are not mandatory and I'm guessing a fraction of the total pilot group actually participates in the calls, management still chose not to release a memo that would inform everyone. Its really not surprising based on the revolving door of management positions in Dallas over the last couple years and the promotion of people into those positions by default rather than by their qualifications. The UPS program is a step in the right direction, but the benefits are not going to be seen for quite some time. 1500 hours in type rated equipment and 30 months flying the line is obviously a minimum of 2.5 years away. My guess is that UPS won't look at "flow through" AMF captains until they are sure their interns can make it through UPS training after flying for AMF. Again, several years away. A schedule of 4 on 3 off is a cute goal to have, but last time AMF was fat on pilots, they temporarily furloughed the new hires instead of incorporating them into the schedule to give relief to the pilot group. They would need dozens more pilots to make that schedule work. Hopefully AMF can keep the doors open long enough to see the results of the program.