Cape air studies replacement for 402's
05-05-2009, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Planespotta
Twin star?
If you are referring to the Diamond, the you think this:
can replace this?
05-05-2009, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by GrummanCT
I have a feeling he is thinking of the "aerostar"
05-05-2009, 09:35 PM
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I'm surprised that they aren't considering turbines. They are more reliable, easier to maintain, and the fuel is cheaper. Also you can use single engine aircraft in 135 ops but it does have its draw backs, especially in low visibility. Look at Linear Air they do, or did (don't know if they're still around) operate Caravans. I would think this would be optimal for Cape Air's operation.
05-05-2009, 10:15 PM
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Hey now, don't knock the Twin Star idea! Cape could completely turn this job shortage around by replacing all the 402's with Twin Stars! Just think of all the pilots they would have to hire! The Aerostar cert is now owned by a company right up the road from where I'm at. The planes are fast all hell (I think they still hold the record for fastest piston twin), but I don't think they would work for a high volume pax load. The pilot door thing...kind of a PITA!
05-06-2009, 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Ziggy
I'm surprised that they aren't considering turbines. They are more reliable, easier to maintain, and the fuel is cheaper. Also you can use single engine aircraft in 135 ops but it does have its draw backs, especially in low visibility. Look at Linear Air they do, or did (don't know if they're still around) operate Caravans. I would think this would be optimal for Cape Air's operation.
Now here's a thought, isn't there a company that's resurecting the old Twin-Otter? That wouldn't be too bad of a bird for their southern routes, but don't think it'd handle the north very well in any type of icing conditions with the fixed gear.
Cape Air in the end is looking for a cheap alternative to their soon to be completely worn out fleet. I'm afraid any way you put it, it's going to cost them boatloads of money.
05-06-2009, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Ewfflyer
The largest disadvantage of the turbine idea is Cape Air is a lot of short-haul trips, and you would just drink boat-loads of fuel on these short, low altitude trips. Also, yes reliability is up, but so are the direct operating costs of a turbine engine.
Now here's a thought, isn't there a company that's resurecting the old Twin-Otter? That wouldn't be too bad of a bird for their southern routes, but don't think it'd handle the north very well in any type of icing conditions with the fixed gear.
Cape Air in the end is looking for a cheap alternative to their soon to be completely worn out fleet. I'm afraid any way you put it, it's going to cost them boatloads of money.
Now here's a thought, isn't there a company that's resurecting the old Twin-Otter? That wouldn't be too bad of a bird for their southern routes, but don't think it'd handle the north very well in any type of icing conditions with the fixed gear.
Cape Air in the end is looking for a cheap alternative to their soon to be completely worn out fleet. I'm afraid any way you put it, it's going to cost them boatloads of money.
I recommended the Otter but he didn't seem to like that idea. It's fine in ice the fixed gear isn't an issue.
05-06-2009, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by BelowMins
Directly from the President of Cape Air: He wants Jet-A burning recip engine aircraft similiar to the 402 with a little higher payload.
I recommended the Otter but he didn't seem to like that idea. It's fine in ice the fixed gear isn't an issue.
I recommended the Otter but he didn't seem to like that idea. It's fine in ice the fixed gear isn't an issue.
05-06-2009, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by BelowMins
Directly from the President of Cape Air: He wants Jet-A burning recip engine aircraft similiar to the 402 with a little higher payload.
I recommended the Otter but he didn't seem to like that idea. It's fine in ice the fixed gear isn't an issue.
I recommended the Otter but he didn't seem to like that idea. It's fine in ice the fixed gear isn't an issue.
Honestly, had no idea if the twin-otter was FIKI or not. Still don't know how they are going to get anything near the aquisition cost of the 402 w/o having some huge sacrifices.
05-06-2009, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Ewfflyer
I also remember seeing something from Rolls-Royce about a smaller Turbo-Prop engine that will take the place of many of the IO/TIO-520/540 250+hp engines out there, with just a slightly higher fuel burn than the pistion varient. I haven't seen them actually put on an aircraft yet, but I'm sure that's just a matter of time.
http://www.vulcanair.com.au/TheA-Via...Sheet2.pdf.pdf
Vulcanair Australia - Our Aircraft
According to this site (when you open the information on the A-Viator on the right), the Vulcanair A-Viator has the same block fuel burn as a Chieftain. If true that would be great. These engines have a 3500 TBO as well which is quite good.
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