Is that what you are seeing with the other guys now?

In 2019 there should be folks who are flowing right around the 4.5 year mark.

There are supposed to be 772 folks on property in Feb. Number 85 on the list is waiting to flow.

That leaves 687 on property. Flow is 6/ month.

Envoys baseline flow is currently in the 9-10 year range
PSAs baseline flow is over 10.

Actual flow time depends on outside attrition. At Piedmont, it’s been rare to see folks leave after they upgrade to Captain- maybe two per month average until folks get under the three years to flow point and then it’s pretty much only attrition from the flow and retirements from that point.

Out of the half dozen or so people that I know who were eligible for CPP at one of the United partners, only one cleared all the wickets and is at United after he hit his 1000PIC at the company. He went to Commutair and he was on reserve pretty much the whole time since he had some prior airline time and was a junior FO then junior CA then junior LCA. Took him just about 2 years after becoming captain to get to United. Most folks I know who attempted CPP got caught up in Hogan failures (Initial pass rate at one point was 25%). A Hogan single failure adds a minimum of 12 months to your CPP timeline as you wait in the que to be eligible and wait your turn to take it again. Fail it twice and kiss a career at United goodbye apparently.

CPP is a big gamble that can pay off greatly for folks. Unfortunately it’s a minority of folks that make it through. Meanwhile at PDT anyone on property as long as they’re in good standing and have been in their bid status for a year gets to flow.

Do not listen to the recruiters at Piedmont. They are not even pilots. They do not provide accurate information.

At this point, I'm confident that they know they are lying, or at best, deceiving potential applicants. Yes, someone hired in 2015 or 2016 will flow in five years or slightly less. However, if you're applying in 2019, you won't be a 2015 hire, now will you?.. Why the **** would they give you flow numbers for a 2015 hire? Because, they are recruiters, and it is their mandate to recruit pilots.

At current rates of attrition, someone hired in 2019 will probably take 7-9 years to flow.

Could you flow in 4.5 years as a 2019? It's not impossible, but attrition would have to literally double, starting the day you're hired, and sustained the entire time you're here. Good luck with that.

EVERYONE CONSIDERING PIEDMONT: STOP. BELIEVING. RECRUITERS.

Yes, just do the math. Flow is NOT a reason to come to PDT. I’ll let the individual decide what, if anything, is🤔. One thing that surprises me is that I heard new hire FOs talking about participating in recruiting events while in the training que. I guess they could provide some info, but not sure how accurate that info would be...

Our recruiters lie. Do not trust them

I don't even think the whole 2015 hires at 4.5 years is going to come to fruition. I don't want to identify myself, but I was hired at a great time to be hired in terms of flow, and I think I'll be out of here at 5.5 years. Anything before or after the sweet spot is longer. The farther after the sweet spot you were hired, the longer the flow gets.

It is downright wrong what the recruiters here are doing. I feel bad for the kids that buy it, but man do some homework. It's been laid out here many times.

I am reluctant to give any recommendation because if I were in the market today, I truly do not know where I would go. I will say that if you want to be based in PHL and you value QOL, Republic has us beat by a country mile.

If I compare my schedules to my buddies at other airlines, mines always laughable. Both credit and days off wise. Even as a senior FO...joke. SKW, PSA, RPA, all better than piedmont. the company just can’t seem to figure out more efficient schedules to save the company money and the give the pilots a better QOL.

I'm not excusing the horrible schedules here, but we can't forget that it's going to be tough to have decent block/credit lines when we are flying jets on 100-150 mile segments. It wasn't as big of problem when we were cruising at 215kts at 8,000 feet everywhere.

There are some longer routes slowly trickling in but so far there isn't enough to have any tangible impact on the situation yet. Then things are compounded by doing one or two legs a day more often than we should.

The cities we fly to and the frequency at which we fly to them greatly impacts the ability to build nice schedules. All of that is handed down to us by AA. Add in the archaic structure of our company and leadership that is frequently in over their heads, and well, it makes it pretty sucky here.

We used to have longer routes that we no longer have, so we aren't really seeing any gains. Maybe getting back to where we were before. I agree that we have less than ideal routes, but that doesn't excuse the fact that I frequently fly two short legs a day, and rot in a hotel room for hours on end. That's controllable. Getting rid of days like that would help us and the company out. It's incompetence

Pretty ridiculous if you ask me.
Be sure to avoid Piedmont right now.
Someday soon it might be viable.

Please don’t confuse my disdain, though.
Be things as they are, I’m still happy flying.
So one can always hope, right?