Management Rejects Temporary Relief
09-16-2020, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT
SAP is great for half the pilots but it’s a disaster for the company and the other half of the pilots. Is there any other airline that has to run every flight with reserves over xmas and thanksgiving?
The pilot group’s response is rational and appropriate but so is the company’s. This is going to be a very high confrontation process because each side has so much at stake.
The pilot group’s response is rational and appropriate but so is the company’s. This is going to be a very high confrontation process because each side has so much at stake.
Besides eliminating sap would theoretically make us more efficient from schedulings viewpoint which would in turn mean we require even fewer pilots in the long run.
09-16-2020, 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Approach1260
Besides eliminating sap would theoretically make us more efficient from schedulings viewpoint which would in turn mean we require even fewer pilots in the long run.
09-16-2020, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Approach1260
Besides eliminating sap would theoretically make us more efficient from schedulings viewpoint which would in turn mean we require even fewer pilots in the long run.
They want to play hard ball? They want to eliminate their only recruiting tool? Let the hogs get slaughtered, never fear a regional closing the doors. I look forward to seeing Keith Stamper standing beside me at the next job fair.
Maybe someone at AA finally figures out how inept our scheduling and coordinating team is.. Get Redi, Brookelen!
09-16-2020, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by firefighterplt
That was sitting in the back of my mind. No SAP = fewer pilots required...what’s to keep them from pulling SAP and still furloughing a bunch of pilots they no longer need in order to save even more $? Shady.
We actually have a decent PBS setup at 9E. It's no SAP, though.
09-16-2020, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by stillcantfly
Hold the line boys and girls. No point in flying an airplane for $18,000 a year......Living on food stamps so you can say your a pilot.....trust me 
09-16-2020, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by idlethrust
No one makes that buddy . Where have you been ? Pre Covid , bonuses up to 90k were being given just for signing on.Thsts on top of your regular salary
If we lose our pay rates it'll be another decade before we can get back to where we are now.
09-16-2020, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by idlethrust
No one makes that buddy . Where have you been ? Pre Covid , bonuses up to 90k were being given just for signing on.Thsts on top of your regular salary
PSA Mgmt also wanted us to give up time and a half for day off flying and minimum day protection. I think it sets a bad precedent to give away our ace in the hole and our biggest QOL item in the contract, but that’s just my opinion. This company never acts in good faith anyways, and SAP creates inefficiencies that increase staffing requirements, so like others in this thread have mentioned if we gave up SAP it would allow the company to furlough even more of us.
09-16-2020, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Jdub2
I think his point was more along the lines of we shouldn’t start heading back that direction...
PSA Mgmt also wanted us to give up time and a half for day off flying and minimum day protection. I think it sets a bad precedent to give away our ace in the hole and our biggest QOL item in the contract, but that’s just my opinion. This company never acts in good faith anyways, and SAP creates inefficiencies that increase staffing requirements, so like others in this thread have mentioned if we gave up SAP it would allow the company to furlough even more of us.
PSA Mgmt also wanted us to give up time and a half for day off flying and minimum day protection. I think it sets a bad precedent to give away our ace in the hole and our biggest QOL item in the contract, but that’s just my opinion. This company never acts in good faith anyways, and SAP creates inefficiencies that increase staffing requirements, so like others in this thread have mentioned if we gave up SAP it would allow the company to furlough even more of us.
09-16-2020, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Swakid8
Jdub is right on the money. SAP is out one and only leverage we have. The only thing that breaks that is an airline shut down or the union giving that up.
If Mgmt jobs were at stake they would have entertained anything and everything.
09-16-2020, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Happyflyer
Yea, they're not serious about saving money. By making it issue of principle on SAP they are telling labor it's just their ambition.
If Mgmt jobs were at stake they would have entertained anything and everything.
If Mgmt jobs were at stake they would have entertained anything and everything.
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