Originally Posted by JT8D

Our union is not so idiotic as to offer a PSA based concessionary proposal to the company during a time of an industry wide pay shortage.

Originally Posted by Slick111

Minor point,....but your union (ALPA) *DID* sign off on that PSA deal,.....at a time of an industry wide pilot shortage.

Originally Posted by pagey

Very well. I can live with that.

Your contract is amendable in 2016 yes?

At that time PSA's rate for a capped captain will be ~$91/hr.

Example: I am a 12 year capped captain. In the SAP I drop my credit to 65 hours with 18 days off. This is fully repeatable and I do it every month. I can sometimes get 19 days off if there's 31 days but also sometimes I can only get 17 days off because I need to add an out and back to actually get up to 65 hours.

After the SAP I add one 4 day trip to bring my credit to 95 hours. I now have 14 days off and have chosen which days to work, and which days not to work.

I get paid $8645. This is without "shifting" any of my other trips on to critical days and getting paid critical for the whole trip. So I could be crediting up to 125-130 hours with 14 days off. Or I could stay with the 18 days off by not adding the 4 day and get 95 hours credit from shifting only. That won't happen every month but you can usually get one trip shifted at least. but we'll stick with the $8645 for comparison.

A topped out Eagle captain will make ~103/hr. He has good seniority so is able to score a line with 85 hours credit and 14 days off. (I'm sure there are better ones sometimes, but there's also probably worse ones too. 85 and 14 should be average, correct this if needed.)

The topped out Eagle captain makes $8755. Is that more than our friend at PSA? Yes, by $110. Sweet! $110 more than that PSA scumbag. However, he also missed his wife's birthday and he had to work labor day, missing all the sweet barbeques.

Lets not forget that only a topped out captain is going to make that hourly rate so our 12 year PSA guy is actually making more than every other pilot at Eagle that isn't on 18 year pay. With a very real possibility of making more than that 18 year guy anyway.

Long story short $110 a month is not paradigm shifting or industry altering in any way especially considering that 95 hours and 14 days off is actually a bad month at PSA.

But hey, you guys keep trying like hell and risking your careers to protect a contract that isn't even that good to begin with.

Originally Posted by spaaks

Serious question. How long do you think PSA can keep this up before PSA mgmt figures out they can't afford to keep it up because they bid their RFP's so low?

Originally Posted by spaaks

Serious question. How long do you think PSA can keep this up before PSA mgmt figures out they can't afford to keep it up because they bid their RFP's so low?

Originally Posted by skyxbomb

Who do you think started this concessionary talks? Eagle's former MEC that offered b scale protecting current eagle pilots while screwing future new hires or PSA MEC that were threatened with endeavor like cap to stay competitive with Delta AFTER Eagle voted down their own proposal?