So you would accept a contract that included raises that had no work rules other than FARs?

 

Go back and read my posts to find out what my opinion on the bankruptcy TA was...

So your way of dealing with this management team is to capitulate and do as they tell you. I see.

Coward.

 

They are standing up to a corporation that came for concessions under the agreement that they wouldn't ask again...and they did. They are standing up for the profession and are risking their own careers hoping the rest of us do the same. Either they give us much better contracts, flow throughs, and a future, or you get nothing. Then they went to PSA. They offered the same contract and you signed it while giving them the finger. The regional airlines are all going to be in a lot of trouble in the near future. If all the regionals are too expensive majors take flying back and we all win. Or just you could win.

 

In the current environment, I would only consider a contract that contained material improvements in all areas AND served to further the industry-wide goal of stopping the whipsaw. I would not agree to anything that my coworkers at other regionals would then be pressured to match or beat...

 

Well summarized. Regionals are going away VERY quickly. Look at Great Lakes, Silver and PDT. Sure the new hires are flocking to regionals with current growth but PSA already said they're running out of applicants. And no it's not because new hires are going elsewhere, we're just running out of people with ATP qualifications. Thank God maybe 5-10 years from now we can all sit down and buy each other drinks reminiscing how we used to call each other all these names. Let the records show that I for one believe that Delta will be the first to staple endeavor to their seniority while United and AA will play catch up.

 

Ideally I would agree with you... However that's not called negotiations. That's called demands and let's face it, regionals don't have any leverage. Especially the wholly owned. Despite the latest pay caps PSA took, our negotiations did a hell of a job on our contract. They took full advantage of the merger as they knew AA and Airways will not finalize their merger without a detailed cost prediction at PSA and PDT. So yeah they gave us SAP and few other loop holes that would've never passed in other regional's negotiations as proven by the latest TAs that were offered to republic, compass, xjt, silver or eagle. Our leverage was that AA will save billions the earlier they merge. And taking a loss on our negotiations is like a fart in the wind compared to their overall costs. But they've outsmarted us as always by coming back RIGHT after the merger trying to threaten to shut us down if we don't take the pay caps. It wasn't an empty threat as illustrated by the recent events at eagle. I guess only time will tell.

 

To the original thread poster, I'm sure you've already made your decision, but I think Gojets would probably be the better choice at this point. The original group of Gojetters sold out their brothers and sisters at TSA, but for the most part, their gone. The stigma will always be there, unfortunately.

On the other hand, we have lovely PSA, who sold out each and everyone of us and stabbed us all in the backs on the way, just so they could get some shiny new jets. They're spineless I can't wait for the chance to deny one a jumpseat. To the 40% at PSA who voted no, we apologize that you're clumped in with the rest of the spineless weasels making up the 60%.

So...go to Gojets.

 

It only takes a few idiots to ruin it for the rest of us. I know how you feel and I respect that but go deny one jumpseat, or two... You think the ones who got denied will ever take anyone from your company??? Then they deny someone from your company that was always nice to jumpseaters before but now he's mad at the world and denies any future PSA guys. Also it's good to keep in mind that wholly owned airlines are higher in non rev priority. Guess which group will be asking for more jumpseats than the other? Plus Mesa is leaving CLT and PSA is taking on more east coast feeds. Just saying...

 

If regionals have no leverage, why has the company come back to us four times already after claiming at each stage that they would not return? Why did Glass walk into the room the other day and ask our negotiators what it would take to make a deal? Your heads are buried in the sand...

 

I hope you're right. I really do hope eagle's stand pays off. And if you guys get a much better offer than what was offered to PSA then you guys deserve every penny of it. However, AA isn't there to improve your contract in any way from the kindness of their hearts. Let's say AA offers something better than what was offered to PSA, you know it's still concessionary. Will all the PSA haters then delete their APC screen names and start a new one? Will you?