The Useful PSA Thread
04-10-2015 | 10:39 AM
#3151
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No I do not believe at all that PSA would be shut down had you said no. AAG would have realized that what they were asking for was not feasible and the proverbial bar would not have been lowered. Have you not heard of the laws of supply and demand? AAG did everything in their power to circumvent these basic laws through fear and intimidation, and they clearly succeeded. At least envoy, express jet, and republic tried to take a stand when cowards such as your pilot group bowed out at the first sign that things would not be easy.
I don't expect to change your mind about how your pilot group is perceived. Someone said it best before when describing PSA pilots as "those mother ****ers!" It's not without reason I can assure you that. Whether I was on property for the vote or not, I would absolutely be ashamed to tell others that I'm a pilot for PSA. I'm sure some of you actually say American Eagle, rather then PSA, lol.
I don't expect to change your mind about how your pilot group is perceived. Someone said it best before when describing PSA pilots as "those mother ****ers!" It's not without reason I can assure you that. Whether I was on property for the vote or not, I would absolutely be ashamed to tell others that I'm a pilot for PSA. I'm sure some of you actually say American Eagle, rather then PSA, lol.
04-10-2015 | 11:17 AM
#3155
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Are you f'ing kidding me? Please show me where this caveat that PSA would be shut down if you didn't take concessions. Now would you experience the record growth that you are now? (at the expense of others, no less) Absolutely not. Would you be shut down? Ha, you're unbelievable if you actually think that. Seriously, show me where this caveat is that PSA would be shut down, I'm curious now.
Parker has said time and time again that he wants the flying to be done by the wholly-owned, so do you really think that every single airplane they had on order was going to be farmed out to Mesa, Compass, GoJet, etc; Seriously, do you really think that that was the future had PSA said no?
Parker has said time and time again that he wants the flying to be done by the wholly-owned, so do you really think that every single airplane they had on order was going to be farmed out to Mesa, Compass, GoJet, etc; Seriously, do you really think that that was the future had PSA said no?
1(a) Parker offers PSA pilots new CRJ 900 jets in exchange for concessions. PSA Pilots say no, and those jets went to Mesa.
1(b) Parker offers Envoy pilots new E-170 jets in exchange for concessions. Envoy pilots say no, and those jets went to Compass.
2(a) Parker offers PSA pilots new jets in exchange for concessions. PSA pilots say no and Parker sent those jets to Republic.
2(b) Parker offers Envoy pilots new E-170's in exchange for concessions. Envoy pilots say no and Parker sent those jets to Republic.
3(a) Parker again offers new CRJ 900's to PSA pilots in exchange for concessions, with the caveat that the airline would be shut down if they said no again. PSA pilots took the deal.
3(b) Parker again offers new E-170's to Envoy pilots in exchange for concessions, with the caveat that the airline would be shut down if they said no again. Envoy pilots took the deal.
So as we can clearly see, it's ok for Envoy pilots to take a deal in order to save their jobs,....... but it's not ok for PSA pilots to take that same deal in order to save THEIR jobs.
04-10-2015 | 11:18 AM
#3156
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No I do not believe at all that **ENVOY** would be shut down had you said no. AAG would have realized that what they were asking for was not feasible and the proverbial bar would not have been lowered. Have you not heard of the laws of supply and demand? AAG did everything in their power to circumvent these basic laws through fear and intimidation, and they clearly succeeded. At least ***PSA*** envoy, express jet, and republic tried to take a stand,......
Do you really not see that the PSA and Envoy votes, threats, intimidations, and eventual acceptance of the deal MIRROR EACHOTHER?!??!
I've tried to spell it out for you in the simplest possible terms! Are you THAT dense? Or are you just THAT angry and trying to find someone else to blame for your lot in life?
04-10-2015 | 11:55 AM
#3157
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You don't think that did any damage by precedent? Mainline contracts are usually 3-5 years and regionals are 5-10 now. I could be talking out of my you know what, but glass houses man. You say PSA damaged the industry, buy I say Eagle did no help by voting in an almost 2 decade contract.
04-10-2015 | 12:25 PM
#3158
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You don't think that did any damage by precedent? Mainline contracts are usually 3-5 years and regionals are 5-10 now. I could be talking out of my you know what, but glass houses man. You say PSA damaged the industry, buy I say Eagle did no help by voting in an almost 2 decade contract.
04-10-2015 | 01:18 PM
#3159
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From: king air
No I do not believe at all that PSA would be shut down had you said no. AAG would have realized that what they were asking for was not feasible and the proverbial bar would not have been lowered. Have you not heard of the laws of supply and demand? AAG did everything in their power to circumvent these basic laws through fear and intimidation, and they clearly succeeded. At least envoy, express jet, and republic tried to take a stand when cowards such as your pilot group bowed out at the first sign that things would not be easy.
I don't expect to change your mind about how your pilot group is perceived. Someone said it best before when describing PSA pilots as "those mother ****ers!" It's not without reason I can assure you that. Whether I was on property for the vote or not, I would absolutely be ashamed to tell others that I'm a pilot for PSA. I'm sure some of you actually say American Eagle, rather then PSA, lol.
I don't expect to change your mind about how your pilot group is perceived. Someone said it best before when describing PSA pilots as "those mother ****ers!" It's not without reason I can assure you that. Whether I was on property for the vote or not, I would absolutely be ashamed to tell others that I'm a pilot for PSA. I'm sure some of you actually say American Eagle, rather then PSA, lol.
04-10-2015 | 01:19 PM
#3160
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From: CRJ700 F/O
So with all do respect, your opinion means nothing to me.
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