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01-20-2016 | 06:37 AM

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joek

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Originally Posted by N927EV

Sounds like envoy, too. Maybe it's an AAG WO thing.

I just randomly selected some lines and none of them have that low of a trip credit on 3 or 4 day trips. Opentime is left over crap that is thrown in there by Sch.

01-20-2016 | 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by joek

I just randomly selected some lines and none of them have that low of a trip credit on 3 or 4 day trips. Opentime is left over crap that is thrown in there by Sch.

That's what I was thinking... I'm wondering if that person was referring to round 2 or maybe open time?

01-20-2016 | 06:59 AM

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Systemized

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The only thing that will ever improve the quality of trips is better work rues.

A trip rig, higher credit min day and 100% deadhead would force the company to improve.

01-20-2016 | 07:09 AM

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Lvlng4Spd

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Originally Posted by N927EV

Sounds like envoy, too. Maybe it's an AAG WO thing.

That seems odd. Does PSA or Envoy have a min day or mod. min day? If we had a 4 day trip with 3 hrs of flying at PDT it would pay 16. 4 hrs min per day.

01-20-2016 | 07:16 AM

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I've also heard several CVG crew members complaining that their tips start out with a deadhead. Why would the company open a new crew base,..... only to ship those crewmembers to a hub so they can start their trips?

I seem to recall that the words expressed by APC were "Extremely inefficient".

01-20-2016 | 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Lvlng4Spd

That seems odd. Does PSA or Envoy have a min day or mod. min day? If we had a 4 day trip with 3 hrs of flying at PDT it would pay 16. 4 hrs min per day.

PSA does have a min day (3.5hrs) but it has to start early and finish before 1700. Someone correct me if that's wrong.

01-20-2016 | 07:20 AM

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Systemized

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Originally Posted by Lvlng4Spd

That seems odd. Does PSA or Envoy have a min day or mod. min day? If we had a 4 day trip with 3 hrs of flying at PDT it would pay 16. 4 hrs min per day.

You have a 4-hour average per day not a 4-hour min day. Envoy has nothing. PSA has a 3.5-hour min day with carve outs. On day one, trip has to start before noon for it count and end after 5pm on last day for it count. Middle days and 1-day trips always have min day.

01-20-2016 | 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Slick111

I didn't see any lines, in the CVG bid package, that have DH to CLT. Now, there might be left over crap put into opentime from Sch.

01-20-2016 | 07:26 AM

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I saw CVG wth a bunch of lines that were only day trips. Which I really wish they'd bring a couple day trip lines to CLT.

01-20-2016 | 07:38 AM

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Lvlng4Spd

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Originally Posted by Systemized

Yes a modified or averaged min day for us. That carve out crap is crazy. One leg or DH is work no matter the time and should be paid a minimum day of work. That leads to a company benefit to start a trip after noon day 1 and and and before 5 on day 4.