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Old 06-07-2015 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by diva
PSA simply can't handle the flying and we all know it.
How come? PSA is fat 300 FO's right now and has done a superb job bringing in over 60 new pilots per month to handle the 3 new airplanes per month. That to me sounds like a recipe for success.

The growth is just getting started, another 70 airplanes will be on the property by the end of 2017.

Not only that, Envoy pilots are coming over to PSA too to fly for us as Captains.

If PSA can't handle the flying knowing everything described above, just which airline can?

Now I'm going to sing a song. Sing along with me. "PSA oh PSA how do we love thee. You're the best regional airline for both you and me"

Everybody now
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Old 06-07-2015 | 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by diva
I hate to break it to you but Yes PSA will Park CRJ's very very soon. The writing is all over the wall. PSA simply can't handle the flying and we all know it. I'm sorry but PSA is no longer the place to be for a newhire unless you want to be at the bottom of the list with little if any movement or wait for a 20 year AA interview. I would rather go somewhere with REAL flow.
Bull****. All you're trying to do is trying to convince people not to come here by spreading lies based on no evidence whatsoever. There is literally an unlimited amount of lies you can pull out of your rear end so arguing with you is pointless. It is my hope that the reader sees you for what you are, a fear monger who's trying hard to prevent people from coming here
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Old 06-07-2015 | 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by GravyTrain
Bull****. All you're trying to do is trying to convince people not to come here by spreading lies based on no evidence whatsoever. There is literally an unlimited amount of lies you can pull out of your rear end so arguing with you is pointless. It is my hope that the reader sees you for what you are, a fear monger who's trying hard to prevent people from coming here
Actually he is right. PSA will be parking CRJ aircraft sooner than you are telling new hires. The fact that PSA is hiring street captains makes it even worse for all the recent and future new hires, since their upgrade time frame has just increased due to street captains coming in below them.

It is obvious there is a goal of PSA recruiters and PSA pilots to come on here and spread misinformation about the true state of the industry and specifically PSA's situation, in an attempt to lure new hires behind them in order to secure their own upgrades. Unfortunately for you, that plan has already failed and is showing.
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Old 06-07-2015 | 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Lvlng4Spd
Give it a rest. Just because someone didn't make it through one program doesn't mean anything. There are a multitude of reasons....are you that high and mighty? Oh wait it's Envoy... I get it...the chosen ones, the few, the proud...fml.
Yeah, actually it means a lot. It means they can't learn the material given to them like everyone else and they can't perform under the pressure of a type ride in emergency situations. I've spent time in the sim with some of them and many hours of my time trying to help out.

This isn't the people with family emergencies or other issues like that I am talking about. Or somebody that makes a dumb mistake on a ride once.. This is the people that just plain don't get it. Get easily overwhelmed and freeze up like deer in headlights under pressure. Even after lots of hand holding, hours of help with study, extra sims, and a second type ride attempt. They Still just don't get it and resign to go to another carrier (who just hired them) before getting "released" (fired) on their 3rd failed attempt.

Nothing false about it. PSA still hires them with recent failed initial 121 type rides, Mesa has been scooping them up too. Amazes me they still do it after the Colgan incident, but it IS happening.

Of course the pilots with training problems aren't going to advertise it to everyone, But the Check airman and instructors in the training center see it, the people in the office doing PRIA requests see it. It's well known that it's happening.

You aren't getting 30/mo of the best and the brightest in this dried up regional hiring environment. Some are.. Many aren't. PSA is scraping the bottom of the barrel to constantly fill that many classes.

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Old 06-07-2015 | 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass

Now I'm going to sing a song. Sing along with me. "PSA oh PSA how do we love thee. You're the best regional airline for both you and me"

Everybody now
Straight fire APC Hall of Fame posting right here.

Nicely done...... The "everybody now" truly puts it over the top.
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Old 06-08-2015 | 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by AceyCandler
You may not be all that far off ... in time. EXPRESSJET will be the first regional to have mass retirements in the next 10-15 years. So much white hair around this place.
Time is something ExpressJet doesn't have.
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Old 06-08-2015 | 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by 404yxl
The fact that PSA is hiring street captains makes it even worse for all the recent and future new hires, since their upgrade time frame has just increased due to street captains coming in below them.
Actually it only makes it worse for you at Envoy, since the bulk of our new Captains are going to come from Envoy. I see why you guys are going crazy over there, its hard to watch the disintegration of your airline. But the strongest must survive. It's not our fault Envoy is going out of business.
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Old 06-08-2015 | 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by 404yxl
Actually he is right. PSA will be parking CRJ aircraft sooner than you are telling new hires. The fact that PSA is hiring street captains makes it even worse for all the recent and future new hires, since their upgrade time frame has just increased due to street captains coming in below them.

It is obvious there is a goal of PSA recruiters and PSA pilots to come on here and spread misinformation about the true state of the industry and specifically PSA's situation, in an attempt to lure new hires behind them in order to secure their own upgrades. Unfortunately for you, that plan has already failed and is showing.
LOL I'm a recruiter now? You should do standup. I'm a regular pilot like everyone else here. I personally don't give a rat's a$$ if you come here or not, the only reason I decided to respond is because you and your "ilk" for whatever reason are doing nothing but spreading misinformation based on NO evidence with the sole malicious intent of discouraging people from coming here, and it needs to be called out because it's classless and low. We are still hiring pilots left and right, that's a fact, and the situation at the moment is that because too many FOs are bypassing the upgrade (either because they don't want to sit reserve, OR they don't have 1000 hours of SIC time) pilots with new hire seniority are getting captain spots (hence the last bid award with 7 captain awards for people in new hire status).

These are verifiable facts. Your malicious lies are just that. Lies. Based on no evidence whatsoever, you just keep pulling them out of your a$$
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Old 06-08-2015 | 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by RyanP
Yeah, actually it means a lot. It means they can't learn the material given to them like everyone else and they can't perform under the pressure of a type ride in emergency situations. I've spent time in the sim with some of them and many hours of my time trying to help out.

This isn't the people with family emergencies or other issues like that I am talking about. Or somebody that makes a dumb mistake on a ride once.. This is the people that just plain don't get it. Get easily overwhelmed and freeze up like deer in headlights under pressure. Even after lots of hand holding, hours of help with study, extra sims, and a second type ride attempt. They Still just don't get it and resign to go to another carrier (who just hired them) before getting "released" (fired) on their 3rd failed attempt.

Nothing false about it. PSA still hires them with recent failed initial 121 type rides, Mesa has been scooping them up too. Amazes me they still do it after the Colgan incident, but it IS happening.

Of course the pilots with training problems aren't going to advertise it to everyone, But the Check airman and instructors in the training center see it, the people in the office doing PRIA requests see it. It's well known that it's happening.

You aren't getting 30/mo of the best and the brightest in this dried up regional hiring environment. Some are.. Many aren't. PSA is scraping the bottom of the barrel to constantly fill that many classes.
All that says is some newbie pilots simply go to places like Envoy to practice and get extra sim time before going over to their true destination airline, all fresh and current, ready for training.
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Old 06-08-2015 | 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by RyanP
You aren't getting 30/mo of the best and the brightest in this dried up regional hiring environment. Some are.. Many aren't. PSA is scraping the bottom of the barrel to constantly fill that many classes.
Actually right now it seems to be 20-25 every two weeks.

But keep in mind, according to eaglefly Envoy would have to hire 50/month to have enough warm bodies in the house for Mason, er, I mean Cujo's dreams of a bigger better Envoy with 6 year flow to AA.

You think your applicants will be any better?

In any event, 3 people in my class did not make it through the sim. One is at Mesa, the others PDT.
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