Nevjets

The law which required pilots to have an ATP did more than just that. It required the FAA to come up with scientifically based flight time and duty limits. It also required airlines to conduct ground and flight upset and stall recovery training. It also required the FAA and air carriers to establish records databases. It then required any airline to check and consider those databases in their hiring practices. And it also required air carriers to implement a Safety Management System.

All these things touch on the things that caused the accident: airmanship in upset/stall recovery, fatigue, pilots' past performance, safety culture, and lastly, compensation in order to make a livable wage and being able to afford a hotel instead of commuting on a red-eye or sleeping in the crew room.

Anyone would have a hard case to show the "ATP law" hasn't contributed to safety, especially the increase in compensation the ATP has caused.

tomgoodman

Obviously, pirates are endothermic.

SonicFlyer

LOL ha ha ha! If you believe that, then Al Gore has some carbon credits to sell you....The number "1500" is completely arbitrary. This particular rule was 100% political.



Uh there was going to be a shortage anyway causing wages to increase simply because of supply and demand. This rule only made it happen a couple of years earlier.


You are stretching, grasping at straws.

4V14T0R

How is 1500 arbitrary? The law required all pilots not just Captains to have the highest level of certification and a full aircraft type.

1500 hours was the starting point for min requirements and then credit has been given for that time for the manner in which one's training was received in order to get a restricted ATP. 1500 has always been the requirement for an ATP certificate.


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NFjt

What kind of a hole title is that?!!

Omnipotent

This is what's needed. 250hr. Commercial pilot to major airline pilot.

Rahlifer

If temperatures are rising in relation to the number of pirates, wouldn't that mean pirates are exothermic?

tomgoodman

Correct, but the chart shows that temperatures are rising as the number of pirates decreases. Apparently, global warming was caused by the Royal Navy.

Nevjets

The duty and flight time limitations were science based. I don't know why you think that is funny.

Like I said, the law that required and ATP had more than that in it. And all of them are hard to argue did not incrementally increase safety. Also,even if the supposed pilot shortage was coming no matter what, it doesn't negate what I said about livable wage.

There is no pilot shortage. There is a pay shortage.

Lastly, if 1500 hours are arbitrary, so are all the other hour requirements in part 61. Why don't people advocate getting rid of ALL hour requirements in ALL training requirements if they are all arbitrary?

SonicFlyer

Nice attempt at trying to change the subject. I was referring to the 1500 hour rule, not duty day and flight time regs.



Seriously, these union talking points are old and worn out. Can you not think for yourself?

There could be an argument made for pure proficiency, but tens of millions of people a year were moved by regionals without incident prior to the 1500 hour rule. The change was not needed and was nothing more than a political gift.