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07-03-2017, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
There is no such work in progress at the present. I am one of those senior guys you say would take the money. It's not the case and no one around my seniority feels that way. We will fight this to the death.
We lived all the supposed benefits you claim. Management preached it over and over. None of it came true. Keep in mind that control of the unions at Delta, AA and UAL for the next contracts will be mostly pilots who lived the RJ debacle and ended up furloughed. I can assure you like the senior guys they will fight it to the grave! The mere mention of outsourcing 90-100 seat airframes in a management opener will immediately lead to a woeful lack of enthusiasm. The feelings are that strong. The limit will stay at 76 seats. I don't even think a small weight increase to accommodate the newer 76 seaters that exceed the current weight limit will happen.
The other factor you don't mention is the poor performance of the regionals. That was a big part of Delta management bringing more of that flying back in house. After 20 years of trying they realize that it is not going to get fixed.
We lived all the supposed benefits you claim. Management preached it over and over. None of it came true. Keep in mind that control of the unions at Delta, AA and UAL for the next contracts will be mostly pilots who lived the RJ debacle and ended up furloughed. I can assure you like the senior guys they will fight it to the grave! The mere mention of outsourcing 90-100 seat airframes in a management opener will immediately lead to a woeful lack of enthusiasm. The feelings are that strong. The limit will stay at 76 seats. I don't even think a small weight increase to accommodate the newer 76 seaters that exceed the current weight limit will happen.
The other factor you don't mention is the poor performance of the regionals. That was a big part of Delta management bringing more of that flying back in house. After 20 years of trying they realize that it is not going to get fixed.
07-03-2017, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Omnipotent
That's why the backend of the jet and all the ground handling needs to be mainline employees. The pilots still need to be from the regionals so they can get the necessary seasoning.
07-03-2017, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Omnipotent
That's why the backend of the jet and all the ground handling needs to be mainline employees. The pilots still need to be from the regionals so they can get the necessary seasoning.
07-04-2017, 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Omnipotent
That's why the backend of the jet and all the ground handling needs to be mainline employees. The pilots still need to be from the regionals so they can get the necessary seasoning.
This sounds like something a non-pilot would say.
07-04-2017, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Omnipotent
That's why the backend of the jet and all the ground handling needs to be mainline employees. The pilots still need to be from the regionals so they can get the necessary seasoning.
07-04-2017, 10:44 PM
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Alright guys, I have an idea for this: we have the naval academy and USAF academy that feeds a good majority of military aviators. As brought up before, what about a US aviation academy? Encorporate stringent training standards similar to Mil pilot training. That way when you pop a guy out at the end at 250 hours, there is a higher quality of training mitigating the lack of the other 1250 hours and that person finishes with a R-ATP to be fed to the regionals.
It doesn't even have to be fully tax payer funded, airlines could invest in them. You could create multiple campuses since it would be to alleviate the pilot shortage and boost safety. Other countries have aviation cadet programs.
Not advocating eliminating the 1500 rule but if it were to happen, this might be a good way to ensure a quality product AND alleviate the pilot shortage?
It doesn't even have to be fully tax payer funded, airlines could invest in them. You could create multiple campuses since it would be to alleviate the pilot shortage and boost safety. Other countries have aviation cadet programs.
Not advocating eliminating the 1500 rule but if it were to happen, this might be a good way to ensure a quality product AND alleviate the pilot shortage?
07-05-2017, 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by C130driver
Alright guys, I have an idea for this: we have the naval academy and USAF academy that feeds a good majority of military aviators. As brought up before, what about a US aviation academy? Encorporate stringent training standards similar to Mil pilot training. That way when you pop a guy out at the end at 250 hours, there is a higher quality of training mitigating the lack of the other 1250 hours and that person finishes with a R-ATP to be fed to the regionals.
It doesn't even have to be fully tax payer funded, airlines could invest in them. You could create multiple campuses since it would be to alleviate the pilot shortage and boost safety. Other countries have aviation cadet programs.
Not advocating eliminating the 1500 rule but if it were to happen, this might be a good way to ensure a quality product AND alleviate the pilot shortage?
It doesn't even have to be fully tax payer funded, airlines could invest in them. You could create multiple campuses since it would be to alleviate the pilot shortage and boost safety. Other countries have aviation cadet programs.
Not advocating eliminating the 1500 rule but if it were to happen, this might be a good way to ensure a quality product AND alleviate the pilot shortage?
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07-05-2017, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by C130driver
Alright guys, I have an idea for this: we have the naval academy and USAF academy that feeds a good majority of military aviators. As brought up before, what about a US aviation academy? Encorporate stringent training standards similar to Mil pilot training. That way when you pop a guy out at the end at 250 hours, there is a higher quality of training mitigating the lack of the other 1250 hours and that person finishes with a R-ATP to be fed to the regionals.
It doesn't even have to be fully tax payer funded, airlines could invest in them. You could create multiple campuses since it would be to alleviate the pilot shortage and boost safety. Other countries have aviation cadet programs.
Not advocating eliminating the 1500 rule but if it were to happen, this might be a good way to ensure a quality product AND alleviate the pilot shortage?
It doesn't even have to be fully tax payer funded, airlines could invest in them. You could create multiple campuses since it would be to alleviate the pilot shortage and boost safety. Other countries have aviation cadet programs.
Not advocating eliminating the 1500 rule but if it were to happen, this might be a good way to ensure a quality product AND alleviate the pilot shortage?
07-05-2017, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Omnipotent
This already exists. Embry Riddle, UND, Purdue, WMU and other tier 1 aviation universities already pump out airline ready aviators immediately upon graduation.
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07-05-2017, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Omnipotent
This already exists. Embry Riddle, UND, Purdue, WMU and other tier 1 aviation universities already pump out airline ready aviators immediately upon graduation.
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