CBreezy

Of course that did. But they would have learned and practiced how to recover from a stall before they arrived at their airline. That both failed at stall recovery had they spent more time in airplanes at various energy states, it may not have happened.

ACEssXfer

Are you the same guy that posted about the checkride and PIC type before?

Let me say it again, maybe you will listen this time(probably not)

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN TRAINING/CHECK RIDE/QUALITY OF PILOT DUE TO A PIC TYPE.

I'm not really sure what part you "adamantly support" but it makes no difference operationally. Regional FOs are still 100% "learning on the plane".

sflpilot

Going back to 250 will just buy more time until the regionals implode. Very few Americans are going in to aviation these days because it is so unattractive at the regional level. If you were able to start your career at a major more people would be interested.

Nevjets

"Some industry representatives who had initially been very supportive of the new regulations have since become critical of the new rules, arguing that they have created a pilot shortage. There is no reliable data to support this position. In fact, there is an adequate supply of qualified pilots and a robust pipeline of pilots to meet the needs of commercial aviation. In 2015, the FAA issued 6,430 ATP certificates, and in the first eight months of 2016, the FAA reported that they had issued 6,530 ATP certificates, including 599 R-ATP certificates. Regional airlines that report a shortage of pilots typically offer lower salaries, poor work-life balance, and fewer opportunities for career progression. Qualified pilots have many employment opportunities, and some regional airlines have realized that to attract qualified candidates they have to make competitive offers and invest in their pilots. Safety regulations should not be driven by the economic decisions of airlines."

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-d5TT2...ature=youtu.be

CBreezy

In order to be licensed to cut hair in many states, you need to have 1500 hours of experience.

SonicFlyer

You are confusing quality of training with length of experience. The two are not the same.

colonials13

Senate panel approves aviation bill without Trump?s spinoff plan | TheHill

Bill moved out of committee today. Not a repeal of the rule, but a provision exists that "would allow pilots to receive training credit through alternative means, as long as the FAA deems it to be safe. Thune said he introduced the amendment to help address pilot shortages, and stressed that the provision would put a greater emphasis on the quality of training hours instead of just quantity."

Still needs a vote on the Senate floor, where Democrats will likely say "not so fast" without some compromise. And that's before it goes to the House.

BeechPilot33

Go to your Senators webpage and leave a voicemail or email saying not to support this provision. Thune is basically catering to Skywest and Mesa CEO's that want an endless supply of zero to hero pilots. And we have a General who thinks the REGIONAL pilot shortage, which is caused by low pay is taking away from our Mil pilots. lol

Nevjets

For those that say that it's not the amount of hours that count, I ask this, why have ANY hour requirements for private or commercial pilot certificates. Why not let the instructor and examiner determine adequate proficiency?

There is no shortage of pilots. The facts support that statement. Just as pilots have decided to apply to regionals now that pay has gone up, that fact proves there is no pilot shortage. The RAA just wants to go back to being able to pay pilots $20k a year.

CBreezy

Nope. Not confused. The training teaches you to the absolute lowest standard of acceptable pilot skill. Flying is a learned skill that needs to be refine. It needs to be practiced. Getting experience solidifies those brain connections so reactions become automatic... You react to the stall horn, one of the first things you ever learn in the airplane, the same way in every single situation. Pitch, power, airspeed. The CA of Colgan reacted to a stall like a scared kid working on his private. He pulled back and didn't add full power. That's an issue that was created by walking into a tightly regulated pay to play environment where he most undoubtedly meaningfully controlled the airplane if it wasn't in the most desirable circumstances.