TransWorld

Until recently, there were a lot of very good pilots with over 10,000 hours. It is dwindling rapidly. Until three or four years ago, Envoy pilots that were flowing to AA were 25 years at the regionals, through no fault of their own. They had well over 10,000. Currently, 12 years are flowing. This will continue to drop.

1337pilot

Absolutely. That, and the Delta way is to find a ways to dickslap their regional pilots just because.

1337pilot

Except those guys actually got to flow so they got a mainline job. Everyone else that has to interview is the one with an issue.

VIRotate

Lots of Acey CAs with 8000+ that weren't getting calls from the big boys (clean records, no fails, etc) yet they had guys and even FOs with much less time getting calls. Sucks but it happens.

DarkSideMoon

What were their resume's like? Did they bother tailoring them to each airline? Any volunteer experience? It's not just a function of hours to get hired by the majors. I knew a guy with 3,000TT, 2,000 121 time get hired by Delta within two years of getting his ATP but the guy was a rockstar. Tons of extra-curriculars and a great personality.

Irishblackbird

Yep, it's easy to be a "rock star" with a great personality and the time for all those goodie extra-curricular activities and voluteer work that HR seems to favor. Its especially easy when your 23-28 years old and have no real responsibility, like 3 kids, a mortgage, kids college education and retirement to fund, family medical issues, loss of a job, and all the other adult things in life that junior hasn't had to negotiate. All of this done while flying, and keeping a clean record, being a responsible adult, with tons more experience.

The biggest problems with this industry is Human Resources and there is no shortage of pilots.

DarkSideMoon

I'm not saying it's fair, but if they had two resumes of pilots with proven tech knowledge and a clean record, and one actively goes above and beyond, and the other just shows up, flies their line, and goes home, I can see why they pick the first guy.

There's a lot of bitterness in this industry and people who think they're owed a job at mainline. Why would the majors hire someone like that over a *competent* overachiever with less experience but a better attitude?

Just because you're busy doesn't mean you can't volunteer once a month. There are plenty of blue collar people with less money and more problems than your average airline pilot that do it. It's not all sunshine and rainbows in aviation but there are people out there with way worse paying, soul crushing jobs that manage to give back to others.

Even if you're a misanthrope, just look at it as an investment into your career and future earnings.

TheWeatherman

Sounds like one of those people we'll hear about in the news sexually harassing a bunch of woman.

TheWeatherman

One is a CA with 10,000 hours and the other is a Fresh ATP as of 2 years ago?????? What is similar between the two other then one was president of his fraternity within the last 3 years?

DarkSideMoon

They've both proven they have the knowledge and skill to get through a captain upgrade and fly the line without screwing up. Clearly Delta doesn't see 6,000 extra hours of flying ORD-MKE to be more valuable than personality. They aren't going to waste money training people who won't make it or get violated, and since they have the stats on who makes it through I'm going to trust their judgement more than getting emotional about things not being "fair".