VIRotate

So let me get this straight. You have guys that have been grinding it out in the regionals for years (if not decades) trying to get a call from a 404 number and an airline that has 10,000 apps on file yet they are going to head to a flight school and offer a pimply student pilot a job with Delta? This makes absolutely no sense. There is simply no need for this. Regionals yes, mainline no.

DarkSideMoon

American is doing this right now.

MantisToboggan

No, they aren't.

The wholly owned regionals have flow through agreements. You interview with Piedmont, PSA or Envoy, not AA. And to get accepted into their cadet program, you have to at least be a CFI.

Much different than telling all of Endeavor to go kick rocks, while making an agreement with a 17 year old to fly for Delta in a few years.

DarkSideMoon

They're functionally being hired into American. You interview once at PSA/whoever and then you never interview again. How is it fair for outside hires with years of regional experience to have to take a hard mainline interview and make it through the stacks of resumes when they're hiring private pilots into American?
You don't even need a commercial to get hired there.

I agree it would be another level of cruel for Delta to use endeavor as a minor league without giving them flow, but it isn't that much different than what's going on at American.

MantisToboggan

How is it fair that WO pilots, who were hired into a system designed to have them be AA pilots after several years of service, have an advantage over pilots who were not hired into a system designed to transition them into AA pilots?? Are you really asking that question?

Hiring private pilots into American?? To get hired into the cadet program, you have to have a CFI and at least 500 hours flight time. Then you have to get to your ATP mins. Then you fly for the regional. Then you flow after however many years it takes.

1337pilot

This will be a slap in the face to everyone at EDV if this goes through. We don't get flow. Unless we first get a call and then pass a mainline interview we get no mainline job. If you are currently at EDV the only thing you can count on is being at EDV. The DGI is a joke. You need to pass the full DL interview including the psych exam, when the SSP was already a shorter interview and had a dismal success rate. This will be very unfair to everyone currently at EDV.

What AA is doing is not unfair at all. If you get hired for one of AA's wholly owneds, you get a job at AA when your number comes up. You don't have to get a call off the street from AA, you don't have to pass AA's interview, you don't have to spend $2000 on a black suit with a red tie you'll only wear once, and another $2000 on an interview prep program cause that's the only way you have an iceberg's chance in hell of passing. You just have to put your time in at one of their wholly owned regionals. AA isn't saying if you already work at one of their wholly owned regionals, hey screw you, we're gonna get around having to give you flow or hire you by just hiring kids straight from school, make them Delta employees, and have them fly at EDV for a few years then bring them into Delta, while the rest of you who have been doing a good job for us for years can eat sh*t and die for all we care. Don't get me wrong. The pilots at EDV are great and I like working with everyone there. But man, Delta really has some douchebags working up there, it's like the get satisfaction from trying to figure out how keep EDV pilots out of DL.

DarkSideMoon

They're hiring private pilots. It's right on the PSA website.
"Your eligibility begins once you complete your Private Pilot Certificate.
Successfully complete an interview with PSA to become a Cadet in the program."

BobSacamano

I could be wrong, but I think you have to be attending one of their partner universities in order to be eligible with just a PPL. I don’t think just any private pilot off the street is eligible for a PSA Cadet interview.

MantisToboggan

I was quoting Piedmont's program, but being a "cadet" is by no means getting hired at any of the WO, let alone AA. It's a gimmick to get you hooked into their program. Don't get me wrong, it's got great opportunities and many benefits, but to say you are an employee for the company is not only a stretch, it's a lie. Plenty of time for them to say "thanks but no thanks" before you reach ATP mins and become a true employee.

DarkSideMoon

It absolutely is. You get flight benefits and pay. There's not another interview at any point. With the flow, American is hiring private pilots.

https://www.psaairlines.com/careers/cadet-program/