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Old 08-16-2018, 07:21 AM
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I didn’t want to set off a fire storm. You have people come on here and say that everything is great in my suburb, but it’s not reality for many places in the country from what I have seen where I’m at driving around. This really isn’t even political it’s been going on for decades. I just wanted to point out that they would have a large applicant pool willing to become pilots for free training.
It's not you, it's just a couple internet retards. People who jump to conclusions because they too busy thinking about what they want to say next or defend some non-factual thing they said previously.

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Old 08-16-2018, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Fleet Warp View Post
It's not you, it's just a couple internet retards. People who jump to conclusions because they too busy thinking about what they want to say next or defend some non-factual thing they said previously.


Says the guy doing exactly what he accuses others of doing.


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Old 08-16-2018, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by sflpilot View Post
I didn’t want to set off a fire storm. You have people come on here and say that everything is great in my suburb, but it’s not reality for many places in the country from what I have seen where I’m at driving around. This really isn’t even political it’s been going on for decades. I just wanted to point out that they would have a large applicant pool willing to become pilots for free training.
You are entitled to your opinion but mine differs. Even the US military is having trouble getting people to enlist, and are having to raise bonuses and drop their standards considerably to fill their ranks, at times to a degree that just wouldn't be acceptable in aviation:

https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-...to-fill-ranks/

You are asking many of the same people to start down a path that will take them three years just to get to a regional, three years when they are obliged to not drink excessively, not do drugs, not have any run-ins with the law. Will SOME take you up on this and be successful? Sure. Will many be willing and capable of seeing it through? A lot fewer, I believe, than you think.
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Old 08-16-2018, 05:41 PM
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Thanks for all the responses, it's good to hear perspective from people in the industry.
I expect there to be a recession in the next one to two years, mostly because we're due one, what goes up must come down, and it's being 8 years since the last one.
My main reason for asking the question is that every job out there (that's not the regionals) seems to require a thousand hours of turbine time...it looks like that will take a couple of years to get so I'd like to choose a regional that will get me that far. As someone commented QOL, domiciles and base pay are important. Yes they are, but I was curious what people thought about this aspect.
Thanks for the replys.
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Old 08-31-2018, 11:26 PM
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I’ve convinced myself that I have a feel/concept for where most of the regionals are headed at a big-picture level (I’ll be wrong on half them when all’s said & done, of course...), except for Mesa.

Where are most bets being placed regarding Mesa’s future???
Will Mesa get bought by AA as suggested earlier in the thread? (AA already owns a portion of Mesa as I understand it)
Will Mesa survive as a contract regional along with Republic & SkyWest, at least for the intermediate term? (Mesa is larger than many contract regionals and may never die out if it hasn’t already.)
Are Mesa’s days already numbered due to cultural issues, compensation issues and sins of the past sullying it’s reputation? (Today’s Mesa doesn’t seem like the worst place to be, but a lot has happened in the past that might be too much to overcome as pilot availability tightens & economic conditions inevitably change for the worse.)
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Old 09-01-2018, 03:51 AM
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20 years ago you could say the same thing about Mesa. It's always been like that and they are still here.
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Old 09-01-2018, 03:54 AM
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Regionals dying (not including M&A) has more to do with fatal accidents then anything else.

Merger&Acquisition is not really dying. Just changing.
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Originally Posted by Fleet Warp View Post
Regionals dying (not including M&A) has more to do with fatal accidents then anything else.
Recent trends support this. In the old days, small turboprops were expected to crash at least every other month and the public accepted that. They had actual life insurance vending machines at the gates for those flights, you could buy a policy for one day.

Today, jet crashes are not acceptable to the public, and any regional brand which has an at fault crash will likely get shed by the major partners and eventually liquidated (or renamed and merged). Forgone conclusion if it's a big media circus with outrageous cause or contributing factors.

As far as survivability...

Mesa always seems to bounce back.

SKW has the momentum, money, and is too big to fail easily. But they also have a LOT of exposure to brand-damaging accidents simply due to the size of their operations. That's probably aggravated industry wide by the low quality threshold for today's noobs combined with fast upgrades.
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Originally Posted by Aviat0r View Post
Which Regionals will survive a recession?
Hopefully NONE of them will survive!
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