Wow, you pretty much backed up every story. Thanks.

I forgot the LSE incident in the list and another one where they took off without a clearance and nearly hit a Continental 737 out east. Maybe you could research those for me.

When you hit something in flight like a weather balloon cable and it yaws the plane very noticably...You land ASAP after a controlability check not 30+ minutes down the road. I think my friend said it happened over Texas actually.

I used to work at a regional as an LCA and was privy to alot that the world didn't know about, but nothing like the stories at that place.

Like I said, I'm just stating what I see. Don't mean to start a war with you.

 

i know your not, just letting you know i feel safe everyday i get on the plane, and every time my wife and family flies with pinnacle. Everyone i have flown with has been very professional and very good pilots. now are there some that shouldn't be pilots?? yes there are. Like you said at fedex they hired the lady that crashed the md-11 knowing her bad background?? not the very best hiring practice is it. Just saying a few bad apples DONT spoil the bunch. Like i said, go to the ntsb web site and do a search,, you will see that there are 3 incidents. The weather ballon thing you keep talking about isn't true. Yes they hit a weather balloon, but the plane did nothing out of the ordinary, flew normal, all gauges where normal, and they were getting ready to start their descent into mem. (remember that a flight control issue has to be reported to the ntsb??) so like i said, most of your stories are exaggerations.

 

Probably right; FedEx has the largest route structure out of any company in the world, and flies at night a lot, all over the world into some of the most demanding enviroments there are. Along with that owns about 700 airplanes.

 

I didn't say they had a flight control problem, I said that they hit a weather balloon and knew it and didn't land ASAP. That is why you would do a Control Check and land because you are unsure of whether you have or will have soon a control problem. So there was a weather balloon on the arrival into MEM and no one else reported it? I bet it happened over Texas like my friend said at FL290 over an hour out. I'm sure when you flew with the Captain he didn't try to down play it at all because it's such a non event.

A few bad apples is a little different than a culture that creates this kind of bafoonery.

 

so you didn't say this?

 

i would be willing to bet you used to work at pinnacle.... you sound just like a check airman that i used to know that moved on to fed ex...

All i am saying you can talk all the sh!t you want about pinnacle and its Culture of Corruption (lol), but every airline has its issues, including fed ex, and your c130 that appears to be crashing in your avatar.... bafoonery happens everywhere.

 

I trained there very bad lake effect snow(Nov-Apr) Rwy 28-6500ft rwy18 5300ft

 

Nope not him, but what does that tell you if a check airman working there has the same ideas.

Airsupport, I'm not trying to flame you; really. I just can't stand the hiring practices at Pinnacle. I met a guy once that flew there on a DHead home and he proceeded to talk to me about how he had 13 speeding tickets (loved his "Fuzz Buster") and Pinnacle said come on down we don't care. Then he proceeded to tell me (in a loud voice) about how he was drunk on reserve once and Pinnacle called him in for a flight, but he was in Chicago partying with some friends. Luckily he said he was called for a DH to Florida, but he didn't have his brain bag so he jumped down to Florida without it, and told the Captain it was lost with the luggage. I tried to distance myself from the dumb A$$, but he just kept talking away with paying passengers around. Then to top it off another Pinnacle guy walks in with his pilot shirt hanging half in/out and hat pulled down like a cab drivers hat and his epulets undone making a huge comotion; a complete slob. Then as time went on I continued to here these stories about how first hand my company friends had jump seated on 9E and witnessed more than once the FO getting the stick shaker on takeoff in IMC while these guys were in the J/S. Then a really good friend LCA at 9E (who is very competent so I know you have them too) tells me these not made up stories. Then of course I witness a letter of waiver authority from the FAA for Pinnacle captains who don't have the PIC minimums to make ATP. Then 9E starts hiring 200 hour pilots after the (low time FO) Gulf Stream debacle gets smoothed over with the MKE & 3701 thing. Man you have to agree, the bafoonery does not stop at 9E.

Funny thing about it was that I told that story to my LCA friend and it turns out he was the Captain the guy lied to about the pubs bag. He remembered because he had to get permission to use one bag from the Chief Pilot.

I am just stating the perception the way I see it.

 

Actually the crew of that Herc got Air Force Commendation Medals for that one because they followed the book to a T and it just wasn't their day. Everyone walked away. Infact a decision was made to move someone up front who would have been killed had he been in the back when the prop came through. This airplane had a problem that was supposedly fixed with the checklist, but unknown to the crew a component that holds the gear down after it has been extended had departed the airplane while there gear was put down. Good down and locked indications in the cargo area and the cockpit and perfect egress. No bafoonery there, but you're right it happens from time to time; not all the time.

 

You're right, Pinnacle encourages us to get into accidents. That is an ignorant statement.