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Old 03-09-2021, 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by 123494 View Post
I used to bring a Zip-Lock bag of loose change with me on trips that I’d use to buy coffee. They’d tell me how much and I’d get my little baggie out and start counting. I distinctly remember a look of disgust from several customers waiting in line behind me.
Trolling is a little too obvious with this one.

Either way, you’re going on the blocked list because I don’t find that you contribute anything of value to these forums.
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Old 03-09-2021, 05:14 AM
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Trolling is a little too obvious with this one.

Either way, you’re going on the blocked list because I don’t find that you contribute anything of value to these forums.
I don’t do this anymore. It became a PITA. Some of us are instilled with frugal habits from a young age. I’m sorry you don’t see eye to eye with me on everything.
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Old 03-09-2021, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by 123494 View Post
I don’t do this anymore. It became a PITA. Some of us are instilled with frugal habits from a young age. I’m sorry you don’t see eye to eye with me on everything.
If you're standing in that interminable line buying coffee from the coffee stop in the airport instead of bringing the free stuff from the hotel or the plane your frugal habits are sorely lacking.
And I can use that word to describe the line much as I feel about this thread

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Use interminable to describe something that has or seems to have no end. Your math class. Your sister's violin recital. A thread on APC about tipping van drivers
And yet I keep coming back for this train wreck.
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Old 03-09-2021, 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Swakid8 View Post
Restaurants are bit different as the waitstaff don’t even get min wages, their income is heavily reliant on tips and bar tenders and bussers getting a percentage of those tips. Having working in that industry many years ago, it became apparent that I need to tip otherwise my waiter won’t make money I am pretty sure van drivers make more than your typical restaurant workers.

Back in 2001-2002, a waiter in a Jones’s Crab shack got paid 2.13/hr plus tips...... Let that sink in.
While this was the case back in the day, "most" states now use a higher hourly wage and offset it based on received tips, at least at your more organized outfits. If you dont make enough in tips, the $9-$12 an hour wage kicks in, if you exceed that average you keep the tips plus a much smaller hourly wage and if somewhere between all that, the system averages it out.
Originally Posted by TrojanCMH View Post
I’d probably ask you if you had run out of cash while handing you a few dollars so you could tip the van drivers like a respectable adult. Or just tip for you.
I always try to tip, but can honestly admit that I have at times forgotten to get cash. I usually will ask around if anyone has a buck to spare, usually they do. I then make sure to get to an ATM that night or next morning and reciprocate. There are legitimate reasons to not have a tip that are not simply due to being a cheap ass.
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Blown away by some pilots on this thread.

My son has aspergers (now called social-pragmatic disorder). He'll never follow in my footsteps and fly mil or 121. He will drive vans. Giving is about helping the less advantaged vs some daily adjusted monetary value or long term net worth. Worship your stuff I guess. Maybe it comes down to how you value yourself.

I tip $5. SHOCKER! Over the holidays I tip more. Including minority folks cleaning up my table at the restaurants. Not because I have it, but because they need it more then I.

If this resonates with one young pilot then I'm glad I got on a soapbox.
lol, classy minority bit there. I am sure you didn't mean it that way, but a good proof read may have caught that.
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Old 03-09-2021, 06:30 AM
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I’ll bet you a dollar that all you bleeding heart Proud to Tip Boys voted against increasing the minimum wage.
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Old 03-09-2021, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul View Post
I’ll bet you a dollar that all you bleeding heart Proud to Tip Boys voted against increasing the minimum wage.
Separate issue. I actually agree with increasing it, but the exact level really needs to be locale-dependent. A federal min wage that's appropriate for NYC, DC, LA, and SFO will be detrimental to people in KY, WV, WY, etc.

An increase in min wage will permanently eliminate some jobs, at some point people will just make their own coffee, mow their own grass, etc. Many min-wage jobs involve services which are are discretionary, not essential, and price-point drives business volume in a big way.

So you have to find the sweet spot where the net benefit to society outweighs the cost of the inevitable lost jobs. That equation varies by location, which means a federal min wage is probably over-kill, unless set to the LCD.

Also... it's a fallacy that you need to be able to raise a family of four as single mom on min wage. There are people who don't need or want a full-time professional career (students, seniors, non-primary breadwinners, etc), but rather some supplemental income. A high min wage basically bans a lot of those kinds of jobs.
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Old 03-12-2021, 06:45 AM
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Waiting tables wages are not old school anymore. In AZ my daughter makes over $7/hourly plus tips. She will make $200-300 per day in tips. They ain’t starving.
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Old 03-12-2021, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by at6d View Post
Waiting tables wages are not old school anymore. In AZ my daughter makes over $7/hourly plus tips. She will make $200-300 per day in tips. They ain’t starving.
Yet AOC wants to increase her base wage by $16,000 per year, because she is being paid starvation wages.
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Old 03-12-2021, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by coodrough568 View Post
It’s actually hilarious. When a new hire FO divides his or her paycheck by TAFB, the hourly pay drops to like $6-8 bucks an hour.

that year one republic pilot brings home about $6.75 an hour after taxes
It’s a bit of a stretch to compare TAFB to working hours but with a 4 to 1 trip rig, that comes out to at least $11.59 (pretax, take home is too subjective) for every hour a first year FO is away from base.
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Old 03-12-2021, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by coodrough568 View Post
It’s actually hilarious. When a new hire FO divides his or her paycheck by TAFB, the hourly pay drops to like $6-8 bucks an hour.

that year one republic pilot brings home about $6.75 an hour after taxes
Nobody in any industry gets paid by the hour for "time away from base". Hotel time is your time.

A better comparison would be gross pay per duty hour, which can actually get pretty low. Perhaps about half your published hourly rate, or even worse without rigs. That's why more seniority is better, so you can do longer legs and fewer of them. Also why transcons, over-water, and widebody flying is even better... you can get between 85% to 95% of your rate per duty hour.
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