Pansk

oh right and my other question...any chance after some of your Saabs head to ATL, SAW will get some jet action? Rumors or any discussion on which routes are soon-to-be old Saab routes?

Avroman

Goodnight...

Confused

ACEY1 as a fellow ASA pilot gonna say grow up and let you know it is pretty rude to start rubbing things in another pilot groups face.

Knock it off

atrdriver

Just gonna throw this one out there, but... if i had to put money on it, ACEY1 ain't a fellow ASA pilot.

(my unfounded guess is a bitter mesaba new-hire)

undflyboy06

This is one perfect example why the airline industry, as a whole will never get better. The reason is because every damn airline pilot is a self centered SOB that only cares about himself, instead of helping each other to make things better.

Generations of pilots before us sacraficed to make things better, and now we have p***ed it all away because we are to damn greedy.

atrdriver

or it's you. i don't know any bitter ASA FOs. the one's i've flown with around here are quite gracious and mature.

anyway... before this thread gets locked, how about back on subject?

CAPTAIN INSANO

This thread should be locked. I think it has served its purpose, over, and over again. Most of the information is extremely outdated.

Ftrooppilot

Any thread this old will have outdated information. Consider it history - a context that should be considered in present discussions.

Crystal ball look at 2009 ???????

Not intended as flame bait.
Admitted prejudice in favor of Mesaba
Nothing personal against any airline intended.
No inside information. Everything is "my" opinion.
Written from a management (not pilot or union) perspective.
Ignores some “long range” agreements on aircraft assignments.
Attempt to use numerous sources of information and do an analysis.
Numbers are approximate.
Encourage discussion and different points of view.
In many of these projections (especially Comair) , I HOPE I AM WRONG !!

Mesaba CRJ200s back to Pinnacle
Pinnacle CRJ900s (purchased by Delta from Pinnacle) to Mesaba (Could change if labor dispute is settled)
Comair Gradually Dissolved
CRJ900s to Mesaba
CRJ700s to ASA
CRJ200s sold or put in storage

EVENTUAL FLEETS (Future CRJ900s purchased split between Mesaba and ASA - possibly Pinnacle)
Mesaba 61+ CRJ900s, 49 SF340 (140+ aircraft)
Pinnacle 141- CRJ200s (gradual storage ) (141- aircraft)
ASA 10+ CRJ900s, 54 CRJ700s, 90- CRJ200s (gradual storage) (154 - aircraft)

Compass Sold: I believe a significant Delta furlough down to Compass is unmanageable. Compass has about 332 pilots; Delta has about 12,000. If they were to furlough 10% it would displace the majority of Compass pilots (sunk training costs) and still have another 800 Delta pilots looking for employment. The training workload and associated costs would be unacceptable - especially if there were a recall with improving economy and / or purchase of new aircraft. Compass is a good “cash cow” if Delta has need of $$$$ to purchase new aircraft. Compass routes could easily be picked up by Mesaba, Pinnacle and ASA.

I recommend nobody change his or her career plans based on this post. It is a "modeling" exercise" that may or may not resemble what goes on in discussions at the "inner circles" of higher management.

Pansk

Maybe now that this thread is back on topic someone here has their theory...?

Lighteningspeed

Glad to see this thread back on track away from ASA fos.
Good post. It maybe your opinion but from a purely business strategy stand point, your projections appears very likely, especially in light of all the latest developments. I have also heard rumors as to the XJ CRJ200s being handed back to Pinnacle in exchange for additional CRJ900s. This would make sense since XJ is getting a second CRJ900 sim in MSP this year. That being the case, why do you think DAL is handing over 10 CRJ900 to ASA that were originally slated to go to XJ? Is this subject to yet another round of last minute change?

Your projection on Compass is spot on regarding the cost of retraining a min of 10% of furloughed DAL pilots to Compass, should DAL furlough, and is going to be a major deterrent for DAL to flow down DAL pilots to Compass, especially if the duration of the furlough is expected to be less than 2 years. Things look so different from last week, and as a consequence the threat of short term DAL furlough seems more likely today, unfortunately. That's why I am more inclined to agree with you that there is a greater chance DAL might sell Compass in 2009. Question is to which entity would DAL consider selling Compass to?