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Old 04-28-2020, 12:20 PM
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Never understood how a DUI can be expunged off your record, but if you unsat a steep turn it follows you to the grave. It should only be on your record for 5 yrs. I don’t get the system.
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Old 04-28-2020, 12:48 PM
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Never understood how a DUI can be expunged off your record, but if you unsat a steep turn it follows you to the grave. It should only be on your record for 5 yrs. I don’t get the system.
Never thought of it like that. I don’t get the system either.
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Old 04-28-2020, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by BoldPilot View Post
Never understood how a DUI can be expunged off your record, but if you unsat a steep turn it follows you to the grave. It should only be on your record for 5 yrs. I don’t get the system.
i’d even go for 10 years, but the permanence is ridiculous.
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Old 04-28-2020, 01:24 PM
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Well...one is a product of the legal realm and the other the aviation training/evaluation realm.
The problem doesn't even lie with the record - you could say it lies with the hiring department and their criteria.
That hiring comes in waves - sort of like pilot slots in the military can go up and down depending on the political climate and the defense budget.
At certain times a busted checkride will be a good story at the interview. At other times your resume/application will never make it past the screening for the interview.

To the OP - you have some serious work to do going forward I think - especially outside of the P91 industry where I agree with rickair - personality/networking gets you the job more time than not - not the resume filler past the minimums. But the fact is that you, in your short aviation career, have failed a majority of your checkrides. I think you will certainly have learned a lot about the pros/cons of those fast paced, train to the checkride, get in-get-out schools. They aren't for everyone. Slow down. LEARN FLYING. Get some experience outside of the classroom and you could still have a career in the aviation industry.
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Old 04-28-2020, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BoldPilot View Post
Never understood how a DUI can be expunged off your record, but if you unsat a steep turn it follows you to the grave. It should only be on your record for 5 yrs. I don’t get the system.
regardless if it's expunged or not, it's still on you to be honest and report it. Just like if a failed checkride was expunged, it wouldn't mean it still wasn't failed.
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Old 04-28-2020, 05:30 PM
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what part of your stage/life was the failure. back in private pilot land ? or during your professional flying career ? which check ride ? etc.
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Old 04-29-2020, 06:22 PM
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So I had completed my PPL a year prior and after leaving the military decided to go to a prominent accelerated flight school to get my ratings quickly and boom 4 busts in record time: IR oral, IR flight retest, CMEL(initial)x 2. I decided to leave this training establishment after these bust due to finances because there was a lot of delays with weather, and the busts didn't help either. I have been working maintenance side for the past 1.5 to 2 years (I am also A&P ).

All my checkrides have been with the same examiner including my PPL which I passed first time. I ended up having to get another examiner for my final recheck for commercial multi. I didn't have much say in DPE choice, the school just set you up how they wanted to and availability in the area. I could go into details on all these busts but that's not why I am here. I have learned from them despite how unfortunate. I am just seeking some advice on if it makes sense to even try to fly for a living. Would getting my ASEL add on, CFI, CF-II without failure make me more marketable? or would it make more sense to just build some time and try to get on right seat with a Part 135 operator or something like that? I don't have an issue with the airlines, but the end goal for me is more like being the captain on a G-VI or Global flying around the world. Or do I need to give up, fly for fun and just be the best mechanic I can be?

Ken88, you’re in a very similar situation as I am, unfortunately. I asked a similar question here: Looking for life advice- What would you do? Hopefully some of those answers help you find a path to move forward, too.

Are you working as an A&P now? I’d only “just” be a mechanic if it’s something you truly enjoy, and really want to do it for a living. I will tell you from my experience that working as an A&P is not very satisfying if flying is your ultimate goal. If you’re working, and can afford it, get those ratings finished, and at the very least you can fly on the side and build time that way. Aircraft ownership becomes fairly inexpensive when you have an A&P, that’s basically what I did, and now have over 1500 hours. Just a few things to think about.
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Old 04-30-2020, 10:10 AM
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Ken88, you’re in a very similar situation as I am, unfortunately. I asked a similar question here: Looking for life advice- What would you do? Hopefully some of those answers help you find a path to move forward, too.

Are you working as an A&P now? I’d only “just” be a mechanic if it’s something you truly enjoy, and really want to do it for a living. I will tell you from my experience that working as an A&P is not very satisfying if flying is your ultimate goal. If you’re working, and can afford it, get those ratings finished, and at the very least you can fly on the side and build time that way. Aircraft ownership becomes fairly inexpensive when you have an A&P, that’s basically what I did, and now have over 1500 hours. Just a few things to think about.
I visited that thread and alot of good info there as well thanks. I do work as an A&P it is not a bad way to make a living, but I definitely agree that it is not as satisfying when you really want to fly. I am going to keep pushing along possibly get a little C150 and build some time until I can find a decent flying job and work and study my hardest and ensuring I go nowhere near another failure.
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Old 04-30-2020, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR View Post
Well...one is a product of the legal realm and the other the aviation training/evaluation realm.
The problem doesn't even lie with the record - you could say it lies with the hiring department and their criteria.
That hiring comes in waves - sort of like pilot slots in the military can go up and down depending on the political climate and the defense budget.
At certain times a busted checkride will be a good story at the interview. At other times your resume/application will never make it past the screening for the interview.

To the OP - you have some serious work to do going forward I think - especially outside of the P91 industry where I agree with rickair - personality/networking gets you the job more time than not - not the resume filler past the minimums. But the fact is that you, in your short aviation career, have failed a majority of your checkrides. I think you will certainly have learned a lot about the pros/cons of those fast paced, train to the checkride, get in-get-out schools. They aren't for everyone. Slow down. LEARN FLYING. Get some experience outside of the classroom and you could still have a career in the aviation industry.
USMCFLYR, I absolutely agree. I beat myself up many times saying the same thing, SLOW DOWN.
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Old 04-30-2020, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by tsimmns927 View Post
Getting closer to starting my PPL. I’ve read a lot about failed checkrides and how it seems most everyone has at least a failed checkride. Are some DPEs just out to give everyone at least one fail? Is getting a certain DPE a requirement for making sure you don’t have failed checkrkdes when interviewing for the big leagues?
You need to ask yourself if you’d be happy as a regional lifer. You might even make check airman and make today’s equivalent of 150-200k. ACMI is another possibility. If that sounds acceptable then continue. Anything beyond that will be gravy.
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