Regional airlines want to axe 1500 hour rule
10-01-2021 | 10:54 AM
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I get the feeling 1500 hours was an arbitrary number and most guys learn more about being an airline pilot from sims and OE than all of their 1500 hours combined, so there must be a faster way to condense that experience. But you make a good point that our safety record is significantly better than most overseas airlines and everybody I fly with uses autopilot because they're lazy, not because they have to, so the process is working.
10-01-2021 | 05:39 PM
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The whole concept of the '1500 hr' rule is misleading. Its requiring the second pilot to have some kind of ATP, which is a 1500 hr requirement standard for the full certificate. There are already huge reductions built in (1250, 1000 for 141 programs, 750 for mil) for the R-ATP that allow regionals to shortcut the actual idea of a full ATP pilot in the right seat.
No further reductions to further de-skill the right seat. We don't want $18k/250 hr/pay for training FOs again. Thats what the commuter airlines want to do to reduce their costs. No thanks!
No further reductions to further de-skill the right seat. We don't want $18k/250 hr/pay for training FOs again. Thats what the commuter airlines want to do to reduce their costs. No thanks!
10-02-2021 | 03:30 AM
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We’re part of the problem.
Half the threads here are about the fastest way to get to a jet, the employers with the shortest upgrades, how do I get there with the least amount of work etc etc etc…
The other half are COVID lol.
Half the threads here are about the fastest way to get to a jet, the employers with the shortest upgrades, how do I get there with the least amount of work etc etc etc…
The other half are COVID lol.
10-02-2021 | 05:22 AM
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The whole concept of the '1500 hr' rule is misleading. Its requiring the second pilot to have some kind of ATP, which is a 1500 hr requirement standard for the full certificate. There are already huge reductions built in (1250, 1000 for 141 programs, 750 for mil) for the R-ATP that allow regionals to shortcut the actual idea of a full ATP pilot in the right seat.
No further reductions to further de-skill the right seat. We don't want $18k/250 hr/pay for training FOs again. Thats what the commuter airlines want to do to reduce their costs. No thanks!
No further reductions to further de-skill the right seat. We don't want $18k/250 hr/pay for training FOs again. Thats what the commuter airlines want to do to reduce their costs. No thanks!
10-02-2021 | 05:34 AM
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Allegheny and Piedmont didn't have pay for training either. But you needed 2500 hours TT, 500 ME, and a lunar landing to qualify. To fly a 37 seat Dash 8.
I went from flying freight in a Cessna 402 every night to a Jetstream 31 - a 19 seat turboprop with a 230 knot redline. That thing ate my lunch when I first started. I had close to 2000 TT and over 500 ME. The training cost $10,000 and you weren't "officially" hired until you passed the checkride. I honestly have ZERO problem with the 1500 hour rule. The more you see... the more experiences you have with weather, and shoddy maintenance, and all four seasons... the more times you have to tell the boss or the customer "No" in the interest of safety... the better an airline crewmember you will be.
I went from flying freight in a Cessna 402 every night to a Jetstream 31 - a 19 seat turboprop with a 230 knot redline. That thing ate my lunch when I first started. I had close to 2000 TT and over 500 ME. The training cost $10,000 and you weren't "officially" hired until you passed the checkride. I honestly have ZERO problem with the 1500 hour rule. The more you see... the more experiences you have with weather, and shoddy maintenance, and all four seasons... the more times you have to tell the boss or the customer "No" in the interest of safety... the better an airline crewmember you will be.
Does anyone remember the 1990's? Regionals wouldn't look at you unless you had 1500TT/250 Multi and then you had to fork over $10,000 to pay for your training.
Didn't have $10,000 for an $18,000/yr job? That's okay. Eagle would hire you without pay-for-training, but now you needed 2,000TT and 500 multi.
Kids these days.
And get off my lawn, too.
Didn't have $10,000 for an $18,000/yr job? That's okay. Eagle would hire you without pay-for-training, but now you needed 2,000TT and 500 multi.
Kids these days.
And get off my lawn, too.
10-02-2021 | 05:34 AM
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10-02-2021 | 09:11 AM
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Two thumbs up for the 1500 hour rule. Don't bother to come without some real weather, real flying and real decision making experience. There's also going to be a lot of 1000 hour upgrades around the corner, and those upgrades shouldn't be counted on to do both jobs combined with a distraction in the cockpit.
If the airlines have to charge $1.00 more per plane ticket to get a 1500 hour pilot in the right seat, so be it.
If the airlines have to charge $1.00 more per plane ticket to get a 1500 hour pilot in the right seat, so be it.
10-02-2021 | 11:34 AM
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