Which regional to pick ?
04-17-2022, 10:56 PM
#121
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Originally Posted by dera
Lol at yourself. Yes you can put your name in the hat, but chances are miniscule. The "lottery' as you call it, that is really known as the Diversity Visa Program, has over 10k applicants from Australia per year, and usually around 100-200 approvals. Since you clearly do not know how the USCIS works, I am just going to say this again - there is no legal pathway from E-3 to Green Card, apart from very few exceptions. There is no "process" to start(unless you call buying a lottery ticket a "process" to become rich), you can just put your name in the hat and hope for the best. The only ways for legal AOS are DV and I-485 through marriage, and with that one you need to prove a non-immigrant intent.
If you "start the process" (as in, file an I-485) unless your case is solid, you will be deported.
If you "start the process" (as in, file an I-485) unless your case is solid, you will be deported.
I agree that there's no legal process to start to convert the E-3 to Green Card that won't end up in deportation, but...
...you implied that one couldn't apply for a green card while on an E-3 and instead to open a tinder account which is what I LOLed at, as you definitely can participate in the lottery while working on an E-3.
Also the diversity visa program lottery must be rigged towards pilots if the normal applicant vs winner ratio is that large, as most of the pilots I know who have been trying to get one usually get one within 2-3 years of trying. Being married helps too though (2x chance of winning).
04-18-2022, 05:26 AM
#122
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
Yeah man I'm not the one who suggested "starting the process"
I agree that there's no legal process to start to convert the E-3 to Green Card that won't end up in deportation, but...
...you implied that one couldn't apply for a green card while on an E-3 and instead to open a tinder account which is what I LOLed at, as you definitely can participate in the lottery while working on an E-3.
Also the diversity visa program lottery must be rigged towards pilots if the normal applicant vs winner ratio is that large, as most of the pilots I know who have been trying to get one usually get one within 2-3 years of trying. Being married helps too though (2x chance of winning).
I agree that there's no legal process to start to convert the E-3 to Green Card that won't end up in deportation, but...
...you implied that one couldn't apply for a green card while on an E-3 and instead to open a tinder account which is what I LOLed at, as you definitely can participate in the lottery while working on an E-3.
Also the diversity visa program lottery must be rigged towards pilots if the normal applicant vs winner ratio is that large, as most of the pilots I know who have been trying to get one usually get one within 2-3 years of trying. Being married helps too though (2x chance of winning).
04-18-2022, 09:51 PM
#124
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Originally Posted by dera
Ok I misinterpreted your lol there then. This issue is somewhat personal to me, that's why I try to correct people asap who say things like "just start the process as soon as you can", it is not that simple, far from it. You should not enter the country as E-3 and expecting you will end up with a green card. If you do, great. Majority still won't. There are also years when certain countries are exempt from the DV process, like this year if you're from the UK, you're out. It is based on the number of applications normally coming from that country, so if we get a huge influx of E-3's, chances are they might be excluded from the DV for a while too.
04-18-2022, 10:27 PM
#125
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
No worries. I'm still really curious if AA will actually find a way to let an E-3 visa holder actually flow or if they will find a way out of it.
04-19-2022, 08:13 AM
#126
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Originally Posted by dera
Transferring to a new airline is simple as E-3 but just like you say, it will be interesting to see if they really want to complete that or just keep them as regional seat filler.
But also... E-3 is not a greencard, it expires after a few years and if the fed were to not renew them for some reason AA could lose those pilots again. They might prefer to spend their limited training bandwidth on people they know will be able to stick around.
I wouldn't consider an E-3 to be a reliable basis for career planing in the US aviation industry.
04-19-2022, 12:44 PM
#127
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So this seems semi on topic and off topic.
But I’ve recently been approved for my green card and will be coming to the states later on this year.
I have around 1500 hours currently and will probably have around 1800 by the time I come to the states.
My question to you all is, would an American regional even look at me, having a UK ATPL and two type ratings with some instructor experience. I’ll have over 1000 hours airline experience. Im totally aware my type ratings essentially mean nothing in FAA world. But just wondering if I’d have a decent chance of getting a job and maybe getting the ATP through a regional or other type (private/charter)
I can expand on the type of flying I have done if that helps, just looking for advice as it’s a massive move and just want to be as prepared as one can be!
But I’ve recently been approved for my green card and will be coming to the states later on this year.
I have around 1500 hours currently and will probably have around 1800 by the time I come to the states.
My question to you all is, would an American regional even look at me, having a UK ATPL and two type ratings with some instructor experience. I’ll have over 1000 hours airline experience. Im totally aware my type ratings essentially mean nothing in FAA world. But just wondering if I’d have a decent chance of getting a job and maybe getting the ATP through a regional or other type (private/charter)
I can expand on the type of flying I have done if that helps, just looking for advice as it’s a massive move and just want to be as prepared as one can be!
04-19-2022, 12:55 PM
#128
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Originally Posted by Mscott
So this seems semi on topic and off topic.
But I’ve recently been approved for my green card and will be coming to the states later on this year.
I have around 1500 hours currently and will probably have around 1800 by the time I come to the states.
My question to you all is, would an American regional even look at me, having a UK ATPL and two type ratings with some instructor experience. I’ll have over 1000 hours airline experience. Im totally aware my type ratings essentially mean nothing in FAA world. But just wondering if I’d have a decent chance of getting a job and maybe getting the ATP through a regional or other type (private/charter)
I can expand on the type of flying I have done if that helps, just looking for advice as it’s a massive move and just want to be as prepared as one can be!
But I’ve recently been approved for my green card and will be coming to the states later on this year.
I have around 1500 hours currently and will probably have around 1800 by the time I come to the states.
My question to you all is, would an American regional even look at me, having a UK ATPL and two type ratings with some instructor experience. I’ll have over 1000 hours airline experience. Im totally aware my type ratings essentially mean nothing in FAA world. But just wondering if I’d have a decent chance of getting a job and maybe getting the ATP through a regional or other type (private/charter)
I can expand on the type of flying I have done if that helps, just looking for advice as it’s a massive move and just want to be as prepared as one can be!
04-19-2022, 01:06 PM
#129
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Originally Posted by Mscott
So this seems semi on topic and off topic.
But I’ve recently been approved for my green card and will be coming to the states later on this year.
I have around 1500 hours currently and will probably have around 1800 by the time I come to the states.
My question to you all is, would an American regional even look at me, having a UK ATPL and two type ratings with some instructor experience. I’ll have over 1000 hours airline experience. Im totally aware my type ratings essentially mean nothing in FAA world. But just wondering if I’d have a decent chance of getting a job and maybe getting the ATP through a regional or other type (private/charter)
I can expand on the type of flying I have done if that helps, just looking for advice as it’s a massive move and just want to be as prepared as one can be!
But I’ve recently been approved for my green card and will be coming to the states later on this year.
I have around 1500 hours currently and will probably have around 1800 by the time I come to the states.
My question to you all is, would an American regional even look at me, having a UK ATPL and two type ratings with some instructor experience. I’ll have over 1000 hours airline experience. Im totally aware my type ratings essentially mean nothing in FAA world. But just wondering if I’d have a decent chance of getting a job and maybe getting the ATP through a regional or other type (private/charter)
I can expand on the type of flying I have done if that helps, just looking for advice as it’s a massive move and just want to be as prepared as one can be!
Originally Posted by Griffinthefool
They aren't going to be interested in you if you do not have FAA certificates. They don't pay for US citizen flight training, why would they pay for foreign flight training?
I had a few guys in my hire class, and I've flown with a few guys since, that were from other countries that had 320 time prior to coming here. I never thought to ask them how they got here though (well, I did think it but figured they'd tell me if it was my business). So someone is figuring out a way that is worth whatever the expense and time is.
04-19-2022, 01:28 PM
#130
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Originally Posted by Griffinthefool
They aren't going to be interested in you if you do not have FAA certificates. They don't pay for US citizen flight training, why would they pay for foreign flight training?
Otherwise, I will get the ATP through a shortened type rating course. Would my experience be of interest to any regionals, and would you guys recommend any around the east coast?
Cheers!
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