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Old 02-05-2022 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Slow2Final
PSA had people upgrading immediately after completion of FO training, pre-covid. That was DEFINITELY not specific to Mesa 😂
With no prior 121?
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Old 02-05-2022 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by kevin18
With no prior 121?
You're saying Mesa upgrades pilots in less than a year with no prior qualifying time?
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Old 02-05-2022 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by kevin18
With no prior 121?
‘There is nobody upgrading at a regional under a year with no prior 121 time….
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Old 02-05-2022 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Swakid8
‘There is nobody upgrading at a regional under a year with no prior 121 time….
that was my point about mesa. Someone could show up at 1500 hours and get an upgrade at month 12. Houston people not included.

others were being obtuse and saying they had people upgrading out of fo training. Well, that’s a lateral move, which are generally not a good idea at the regional level.
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Old 02-05-2022 | 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
You're saying Mesa upgrades pilots in less than a year with no prior qualifying time?
It happened pre Covid. I know of a few who upgraded at month 12. They picked up all the flying they could and blocked right under 100 every month.
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Old 02-05-2022 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by kevin18
that was my point about mesa. Someone could show up at 1500 hours and get an upgrade at month 12. Houston people not included.

others were being obtuse and saying they had people upgrading out of fo training. Well, that’s a lateral move, which are generally not a good idea at the regional level.
Guess if you’re going to be obtuse, then there were nearly identical opportunities at other regionals for people to get the legally-required time to upgrade as soon as possible, 117 flight time limits notwithstanding.

But please, continue to convince us all that Mesa is a magical unicorn.
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Old 02-05-2022 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Slow2Final
Guess if you’re going to be obtuse, then there were nearly identical opportunities at other regionals for people to get the legally-required time to upgrade as soon as possible, 117 flight time limits notwithstanding.

But please, continue to convince us all that Mesa is a magical unicorn.
All I’m saying is that in 2018 when I was looking at the regionals mesa had the quickest upgrade of all of them. When you did the math over a wholly owned or other regional with better pay you lost out on a lot of money on the back end because you would spend a year or more at those regionals and only make about 30k more.

In the long run you’re losing out on a lot of money, from 401k contributions to an entire year or more of captain pay on the back end of your earning.

Getting your time and getting out of the regionals should be everyone’s goal. My opinion. There are reasons to go to every regional and reasons not to. Each person has to figure out their priority and make their own decisions. I just laugh at the people who say there was no good reason to go to mesa. That wasn’t true at the time.
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Old 02-05-2022 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by kevin18
that was my point about mesa. Someone could show up at 1500 hours and get an upgrade at month 12. Houston people not included.

others were being obtuse and saying they had people upgrading out of fo training. Well, that’s a lateral move, which are generally not a good idea at the regional level.
OK, Mesa wasn’t the only place where folks can upgrade within 12 months from DOH prior to Covid. Air Wisconsin, GoJet, Skywest, PSA (I upgraded in 12 months here and PSA were forcing upgrades prior), Piedmont , Envoy (forcing upgrades), TSA, Compass.

You have bad data on the WOs because there were a lot of FOs doing everything possible to keep from giving up their bases and QOL due to a forced upgrade such as bidding reserve and signing up for last call out to drag out the inevitable forced upgrade. But the opportunities were there for the taking.

The exception was Endeavor because of the log jam of FOs there and Republic because of the their upgrade requirements of having 2500 hours TT (this kept 1000 R-ATPs from upgrading at 2000 hours/1000 121). Catch my drift.
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Old 02-05-2022 | 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Swakid8
OK, Mesa wasn’t the only place where folks can upgrade within 12 months from DOH prior to Covid. Air Wisconsin, GoJet, Skywest, PSA (I upgraded in 12 months here and PSA were forcing upgrades prior), Piedmont , Envoy (forcing upgrades), TSA, Compass.

You have bad data on the WOs because there were a lot of FOs doing everything possible to keep from giving up their bases and QOL due to a forced upgrade such as bidding reserve and signing up for last call out to drag out the inevitable forced upgrade. But the opportunities were there for the taking.

The exception was Endeavor because of the log jam of FOs there and Republic because of the their upgrade requirements of having 2500 hours TT (this kept 1000 R-ATPs from upgrading at 2000 hours/1000 121). Catch my drift.
Things change, and quickly. When I went to a job fair in ‘18 all of the WOs were advertising 18 month upgrades. I couldn’t, in good conscience, recommend Mesa to anyone right now. At one point though, there was one reason to go there, that was to get time and get out. My path will have me here 3.5 years, which I’m good with. It seems like a pretty fast transition to a legacy.
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Old 02-05-2022 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by kevin18
It happened pre Covid. I know of a few who upgraded at month 12. They picked up all the flying they could and blocked right under 100 every month.
My best month at Envoy was 104 hours block. If you worked like a dog, you could hit the required 950 at Envoy in a year too. Thinking Mesa was somehow unique in that was ignorant.
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