ALPA says there is no pilot shortage
#11
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You obviously are just buying the ALPA propaganda line. First those numbers are not complete. How many are even interested in an airline carreer? How many of those ATPs are current? How many are medicaled out? ALPA posted numbers that look very incomplete in my opinion. The FAA has acknowledged a pilot shortage. ALPA is the outlier in this.
That’s not the same a chronic shortage due to high barriers of entry.
#12
You obviously are just buying the ALPA propaganda line. First those numbers are not complete. How many are even interested in an airline carreer? How many of those ATPs are current? How many are medicaled out? ALPA posted numbers that look very incomplete in my opinion. The FAA has acknowledged a pilot shortage. ALPA is the outlier in this.
#13
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Raising the WO rates will attract more pilots to join the airline. 22yr old gets out of college and has 1000 hours and joins a WO since they will be paying $90+/hr his FIRST YEAR. That is good money for a kid who is just getting into the industry and won't have to scrape by on the regional wages of the past. Don't forget the bonuses.
#15
A shortage of pilots at a particular price point does not represent a scarcity of pilots at any price point.
Have we already forgotten the thousands of pilots who left the career early two years ago, along with the likely thousands of others who abandoned training because of those circumstances?
Have we already forgotten the thousands of pilots who left the career early two years ago, along with the likely thousands of others who abandoned training because of those circumstances?
#16
A shortage of pilots at a particular price point does not represent a scarcity of pilots at any price point.
Have we already forgotten the thousands of pilots who left the career early two years ago, along with the likely thousands of others who abandoned training because of those circumstances?
Have we already forgotten the thousands of pilots who left the career early two years ago, along with the likely thousands of others who abandoned training because of those circumstances?
But if you boost wages to ridiculously high rates, at least in the short term, you reach a point of diminishing return. Many people who have a pilots license do not want or can not get a position flying a part 121, no matter how hire the rate is.
It takes time to get more interested, and get qualified, to add to the pool.
Remember after the lost decade, pilots on the sidelines in their 40s and 50s came back. That pool started drying up, after a couple of years. It was not infinite. Same with the pool they are now going after. It is elastic, but not infinitely elastic, no matter how high the pay goes. The only debate is how elastic the pool of pilots is. Stated differently, how deep is the pool, before the interested and hire-able end of the pool runs dry.
#19
#20
This is where unions lose all credibility by being absurd.
Should they push for better pay, work rules, and safety? Absolutely.
But when they say things like this they look completely out of touch with reality.
Should they push for better pay, work rules, and safety? Absolutely.
But when they say things like this they look completely out of touch with reality.
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