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Old 08-06-2007, 06:00 PM
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I'm a CFI....hmmm.

I'm just curious what form the proposed China operation will be. A bit selfish on my part, but China is a key piece to the success to many of the cargo operators of this country. I can just see Mesa prove to the Chinese, Fred Smith and other airline managements that pilots will work in China for the same compensation as those who sew Nike sneakers.
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Old 08-06-2007, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by dogpilot View Post
The only problem with mesa accepting such a deplorable contract is it sets the bar so low for everyone else and so on............Pilots need to quit worrying about not having a job and secure their contract whatever it takes. Do not accept subpar crap. I wouldn't go to mesa if it was the only job left in the world in which I could fly. Don't make excuses as to why you signed a crappy contract there shouldn't have to be a regional that is only a stepping for and that is why "it's okay that our contract sucks, because we aren't staying here." Thanks alot ******* for the future of those coming in.

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Old 08-06-2007, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FliFast View Post
I'm a CFI....hmmm.

I'm just curious what form the proposed China operation will be. A bit selfish on my part, but China is a key piece to the success to many of the cargo operators of this country. I can just see Mesa prove to the Chinese, Fred Smith and other airline managements that pilots will work in China for the same compensation as those who sew Nike sneakers.
Since your boiling over with CFI intelligence, why don't you simply conduct a quick search on these forums. All of the info that I have heard is availible to you, right here.

Let me help you out:
1) Click on "search," the third option from the right on the blue banner above.
2) Type in "Mesa Airlines China" into the search field, and select "show posts" and read away. The second result from the top is in relation to FedEx.

All of you think that just b/c we work for Mesa, that we have an large part in planning, and carrying out each aspect of our airline. Surely you all can't be that ignorant. As dash drivers, the airline didn't really shop this opportunity to us, as we have zero CRJ flight hours.

Perhaps you could explain to me the maintenence program and oil change intervals on your '95-'97 delivery trucks?
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Old 08-06-2007, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by newgrad411 View Post
I am by no means ready for a job at the majors, but I would hope I am a cut above a CFI. I believe being a professional pilot makes all of us a cut above CFI's, not just me.

Just when I thought I'd already seen the height of ignorance on these forums, you go and say something like that. Such a statement is what makes you below flight instructors.
Flying something that's big and shiny and burns JetA with passengers in the back doesn't make you a professional. Doing the best job you can do, honoring the commitments you made when you accepted your job, and constantly looking to better how you do your job are what makes you a professional. Ragging on somebody because they're "just" a CFI is the antithesis of being a professional.
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Old 08-06-2007, 07:26 PM
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"I would hope I am a cut above a CFI."

What's that supposed to mean?

I'm a UPS 757/767 Capt and a CFI since 1980. In many ways, the CFI part is more rewarding than then major job.

A professional pilot is one who is getting paid to perform a service. CFI's are in that catagory.

Now, if your point is that a CFI, who has never stepped foot in an RJ or worked at a 121 airline, should be overly negative towards those who work for Mesa, then I'd agree they don't have much background to stand on. But you need to watch how you put things.
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Old 08-07-2007, 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by samdog View Post
The Mesa pilots accepted their crappy contract in exchange for getting Freedom back in-house from that piece of sh#t J.O. They took one on the chin, and should be nothing but respected (except for the A-listers). I understand their contract becomes ammendable this fall, should be interesting....
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Old 08-07-2007, 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by cl601pilot View Post
The China operation should be great.
The China operation is going to kill 52 people shortly after startup due to a mechanical problem or gross incompetence coupled with CFIT or fatigue. Probably a combo of these and then some. There will be a cover-up of course. Finger pointing at Bombardier or something.

A half-asssed company in a half-asssed country. Great combo.

That's my prediction. Ok. I'm over it.

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Old 08-07-2007, 02:17 AM
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I was way more booksmart when I was an active CFI.
And by the way, not all CFIs are 500 hour kids, but some good ones are.

Mesa needs some help of course, but it looks like they are trying. Sometime's it can be hard to delienate between the cool Mesa guy, and the one with the iPod and spiky hair complete with cocky attitude because dammit.. he flies jets! They have a bad rep for hiring some real tools, but hats off to the dudes that keep it real over there- you're tougher than me. Maybe when the shortage is over they can raise the standards again for the hiring over there.

How is John Orn safe at night? You would think someone would have lost it by now. Not a suggestion by the way.
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Old 08-07-2007, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by newgrad411 View Post
I am by no means ready for a job at the majors, but I would hope I am a cut above a CFI. I believe being a professional pilot makes all of us a cut above CFI's, not just me.

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Not sure I buy this one. CFI's are professional pilots and, even better, they are PICs. Honestly I think that civilian pilots who didn't fly some significant GA (CFI, night cargo, etc) are lacking a key foundation of their professional development. No amount of time in the dash (or an RJ) is going to make up for that.

And MAPD does not count for anything...you had adult supervision the entire time.
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Old 08-07-2007, 12:23 PM
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A pilot going to mesa a few years ago can't really be blamed.... hiring was tough at the time.

A pilot going to Mesa now is VERY MUCH to blame because they enter negotations and they are fueling the ignorant management fire. CFIs have much better opportunities with first tier regionals.

Guys and girls - work for a company that treats you like AN AIRLINE PILOT. Not Mesa.
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