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08-12-2007 | 02:15 PM
#32
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***** I WORK IN THIS INDUSTRY AND SUPPORT SKYHIGH AND LES ABENDS VIEWS *****
Having seen this industry from many angles I have a better perspective than probably anyone else on this board. My perspective comes from the following back ground:
- Flight student
- CFI
- Chief Flight Instructor
- Asst Chief Pilot
- Capt and FO at a Regional in the 80's
- FO at a Major Carrier
- Furloughed TWICE
- Capt and FO at two scummmm bag charter carriers
- President and employer of many of a non aviation related company
- Back to FO at the same Major Carrier
SkyHigh and Les Abend are RIGHT ON people!!!!!!!!!!
I started in the right seat of a Saab 340 in 1987 at 19,000 per year. Thats 20 years ago. How much are the regionals offering you now? Forking Peanuts money. You can make more as a barista in Starbucks and get better bennies.
Today's airline dream is less of a career today and more like a trip to any casino on the wrong side of the tracks in Atlantic City. Most are gonna lose their training money and walk out the door with barely enough for coffee and a bagel the next morning after a night at the crap table.
And that is EXACTLY what the airline managements and unions are rewarding you with. CRAP!!!!!!!!
You can get any MBA or Law School degree for less than 150K and then expect to be compensated for your hard work. In aviation, Haa forget it.
One example is to go look at the job offerings at http://www.theladders.com
Having seen this industry from many angles I have a better perspective than probably anyone else on this board. My perspective comes from the following back ground:
- Flight student
- CFI
- Chief Flight Instructor
- Asst Chief Pilot
- Capt and FO at a Regional in the 80's
- FO at a Major Carrier
- Furloughed TWICE
- Capt and FO at two scummmm bag charter carriers
- President and employer of many of a non aviation related company
- Back to FO at the same Major Carrier
SkyHigh and Les Abend are RIGHT ON people!!!!!!!!!!
I started in the right seat of a Saab 340 in 1987 at 19,000 per year. Thats 20 years ago. How much are the regionals offering you now? Forking Peanuts money. You can make more as a barista in Starbucks and get better bennies.
Today's airline dream is less of a career today and more like a trip to any casino on the wrong side of the tracks in Atlantic City. Most are gonna lose their training money and walk out the door with barely enough for coffee and a bagel the next morning after a night at the crap table.
And that is EXACTLY what the airline managements and unions are rewarding you with. CRAP!!!!!!!!
You can get any MBA or Law School degree for less than 150K and then expect to be compensated for your hard work. In aviation, Haa forget it.
One example is to go look at the job offerings at http://www.theladders.com
08-12-2007 | 02:17 PM
#33
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You normally get above 50K when you upgrade to captain. At some regional it takes just over two years, at some it takes longer. The quicker the upgrade, the quicker you are making a comfortable salary. It also helps if you're married and she/he does good also.
08-12-2007 | 02:43 PM
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Les' article in Flying is probably the only reason I used to subscribe to Flying.
He probably has the view of a typical 300 hour pilot that comes out of a pilot factory, $100,000 in debt and facing a $19,000 salary.
I wish more pilots would spend less, instruct and build experience looking at this as a long term career and not just a race to the right seat of a CRJ.
He probably has the view of a typical 300 hour pilot that comes out of a pilot factory, $100,000 in debt and facing a $19,000 salary.
I wish more pilots would spend less, instruct and build experience looking at this as a long term career and not just a race to the right seat of a CRJ.
08-12-2007 | 03:40 PM
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From: JS32 FO
What's wrong with being 22? Seriously though, I definitely have not spent $170,000 for my ratings. I'd say $60,000 for a four-year degree and going from student pilot to MEI. I know you can do it for cheaper too, but this was the best way for me. Although flying is less glamorous than the "Golden Years" it is also true that most entry level jobs leave something to be desired. I don't want a crap job, which is why I'm still instructing and looking for the right fit for me. Not taking a lousy job, but I also don't expect to make 50K my first couple of years either. Honestly, none of my non-pilot friends who just graduated are in a different situation. For now, we'll make about the same money. It's what you make of it.
08-12-2007 | 04:03 PM
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Sky, please chill out with the "I said it first" bit. One thing I have learned over the years is that nothing anyone does is ever truly original. This can be taken as universal truism applying to all the great efforts of mankind. Whittle and Ohain invented the jet engine simultaneously without even consulting with one another. Both were merely adding to turbine technology that already existed. Einstein himself said his work was only possible by sitting on the shoulders of the giants that came before. A scholar never cares to draw attention to himself. New ideas are almost never hatched in any completed sort of shape; it took the Wrights years of fooling with the work of Lilienthal to make an airplane that would go 500 feet. Convince yourself, then others will be convinced.
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08-12-2007 | 04:15 PM
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http://www.westegg.com/inflation/
"What cost $19000 in 1987 would cost $33675.26 in 2006."
Sad. Very, very sad.
08-12-2007 | 05:57 PM
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yes, seriously.. this is so depressing.. it's depressing because a lot of it is true.. I agree with you de727... us here at the regional forum are already in knee-deep.. we dont need to be be reminded. better to educate the ones who havent signed off on the loans yet.
08-12-2007 | 06:05 PM
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What's wrong with being 22? Seriously though, I definitely have not spent $170,000 for my ratings. I'd say $60,000 for a four-year degree and going from student pilot to MEI. I know you can do it for cheaper too, but this was the best way for me. Although flying is less glamorous than the "Golden Years" it is also true that most entry level jobs leave something to be desired. I don't want a crap job, which is why I'm still instructing and looking for the right fit for me. Not taking a lousy job, but I also don't expect to make 50K my first couple of years either. Honestly, none of my non-pilot friends who just graduated are in a different situation. For now, we'll make about the same money. It's what you make of it.
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